Wormholes

I'm not opposed to the 50/50 safety/loot compromise suggested. Same result for current looters, better result for future hoarders.

The old pos is a full drop model and yet people still use it... .

The old pos model rarely resulted in fights and without "asset safety" the new one will not likely result in fights either. It is one thing to yolo a ship, quite another to yolo all of your ships. When a pilot has a choice between fighting a fight he will likely lose (the invasion would most likely not have happened if the defender had a strong chance) or logging off with a gold ladden ship (bowhead, carrier, orca, or whatever else stuffed with all the faction bits, my bet is logoff will be selected. So the choice in a way is between getting the bulky low value stuff (wow this pos had some PI goo and an epithal) without a fight or providing some asset safety and getting a fight. How much do we value the fights? The great the risk the more risk averse the behavior will be. This is an opportunity to make something better than what we have now yet our kneejerk is to make it just like what we have now.


Three more thoughts:

If the risk in wspace is much greater than it is anywhere else will it be a vibrant busy place or will it be barren and empty populated only by the same old bored people with little new blood? So while getting rid of asset safety everywhere sounds great, getting rid of it only in one part of the game sounds bad for that section.

The new invasion system takes a lot less comitment than the old one so it will likely happen more. The old system had multiple towers to reinforce with massive butt numbing hit point barriers which in effect required a comitment of dreads or a lot of people for a long time or both. The unanswered entosis sidesteps that. Is more evictions going to make our space a busy vibrant place? Perhaps we need to make sure the system does not make it too attractive as it is generally pretty dull gameplay.

Mostly, the higher the stakes the more risk averse behavior we will see. Non agression pacts, blueing, empty hangers with few ships which are all logged off and a barren empty landscape are the obvious results if people do not feel safe. We need some measure of safety so that we can have ships to shoot at abd people to interact with. The small guys need safety to grow so we can have a future shooting each other. Otherwise we will crush them as infants and then complain that there are only farmers who log on but a few hours a week and leave nothing at risk for the balance of the hours. We really should not bend the entire feature around invasions (which are not all that fun and are also generally only a small part of our time in game) and instead look at it as a chance to make the majority of our hours in game filled with ships in space. Which gets us more ships in space, strong asset safety or a complete lack of it? We dont get to make it a vastly harsher space than the rest of new eden yet is also active and vibrant; the humans at the keyboard wont likely react that way.

I think not having asset safety anywhere is interesting but having it everywhere except one spot is terrible. The desired outcome of "ships in space" requires some safety otherwise our land will be populated only by day trippers and those who bring little and log everything off.

it's getting pretty NIMBY in here

some random SSC scrub acting like his way is the only way lol. change happens and your **** opinion isn't going to change it so buckle up for CCP's WH Wild Ride kiddo

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Fair points.

Hopefully, yes. At the very least you should be able to get a player count without uncloaking.

I'm pretty sure this SSC scrub presented the reasons why I didn't like Chance's idea instead of just saying "that idea is bad" and not justifying it. He's free to agree or disagree with me if whether or not that type of game play is something that should or should not be preserved in the future. This is an appropriate way of giving someone feedback; you could probably learn from me.

Can't do that, but I can teach you how to give constructive feedback to a CSM member's idea.

The idea of hidden citadels is a neat one but my main point of contention would be the fact that you couldn't gather intel (i.e.: what we usually do by watching a tower in a cloaky ship) without giving away the fact that you were in the system, and the idea of having to do it once for every citadel and bookmark it for later doesn't work given the limited number of bookmarks available to a corporation.

Now if you had a different type of probe that would act like combat probes but not show up on d-scan and only allow you to find structures, that might change things. Under that system, you might only choose to probe down citadels where you see ships on d-scan at no signature/ anom. Or you might choose to bookmark the main citadels of notable corporations, and probe down the rest on an as-needed basis. It would be different but maintaining a similar style of play.

What do you think about half safety (loot fairy safety) option?