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[UNITY] Official statement on the death of Empress Jamyl.
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#41 - 2015-08-22 17:25:57 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math.


There were five thousand left.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#42 - 2015-08-22 17:26:56 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Now look what you've done. You've made Nauplius perturbed.

And when Nauplius is perturbed, millions of Minmatar die.


You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math.


Competency seems to come in waves.

A while ago he was exploding freighters stuffed full of unfortunate slaves. He might take that up again.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#43 - 2015-08-22 17:37:08 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
I was ashamed I could not do anything to prevent her death


Don't be. That was ninety-five simultaneous doomsdays, possibly more (going frame-by-frame through the footage, 95 is the minimum I come up with). The Seraph, passive-fit as it likely was, probably wouldn't have survived ten. Absolutely none of the logistics pilots present - including the Aeon crews - should feel themselves responsible in the slightest.

But remember: we've never seen a Lux fire twice. Even when engaged for hours. These Drifters shoot their load, and they're done. If the Empires would be willing to lower their jamming arrays during prolonged incursions by these Drifters, any of the nullsec blocs could easily provide enough firepower to remove them in very short order. If the Empire wants help, then it should allow that help to reach it.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden.

Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron.

Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?


No.

No, she was piloting what appears to have been a normal Promethean titan, not the Empire's Iapetan titan. In addition, she was protected by, as near as I could tell, fewer than a dozen Aeon-class supercarriers. Not even close to 'the largest fleet in New Eden'. Maybe if the entire Navy had been there, you could say that... but these days?

There are places where what the Amarr Navy brought in would be considered a gate camp.

The Drifters' tactics are supposedly evolving and adapting, but in the last series of engagements, we've consistently seen them focus fire with their doomsdays - even when using them far in excess of any reasonable need.

If they come for us, they'll kill some ships, yes. But I have no doubt they'll find they've bitten off far more than they're used to.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#44 - 2015-08-22 17:38:57 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math.


There were five thousand left.


Too clean a number, Doc. Unless the survivors say otherwise, I've got no confidence in his claims.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#45 - 2015-08-22 17:47:29 UTC
They're saying otherwise. Given the numbers I've seen from him in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if the original number was much, much higher. This group may have survived just because they were being held in a holding cell that was somewhat isolated from the others.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#46 - 2015-08-22 18:19:29 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
They're saying otherwise. Given the numbers I've seen from him in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if the original number was much, much higher. This group may have survived just because they were being held in a holding cell that was somewhat isolated from the others.


Then he's got still more to answer for.

And you will answer for it, blooder. Just as soon as I can track down your home medbay.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-08-22 19:08:49 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
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The Drifters' tactics are supposedly evolving and adapting, but in the last series of engagements, we've consistently seen them focus fire with their doomsdays - even when using them far in excess of any reasonable need.

If they come for us, they'll kill some ships, yes. But I have no doubt they'll find they've bitten off far more than they're used to.


I still believe this is a directed personal attack rather than simply the drifters disliking the Amarr. The use of force was purely to make a very very obvious point.

I'd say their tactics have evolved greatly, that was the purest example of a surgical strike that probably anyone has ever seen.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#48 - 2015-08-22 19:36:02 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
They're saying otherwise. Given the numbers I've seen from him in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if the original number was much, much higher. This group may have survived just because they were being held in a holding cell that was somewhat isolated from the others.


There were ten thousand slaves stored in two groups of five thousand slaves each. When the Imperium destroyed the Ritual Space hanger, one of the groups of five thousand was destroyed, but the other survived in the wreckage. There is nothing surprising about this — when a hanger is destroyed, each "thing" (or in this case, each group of five thousand slaves) has an approximately 50% chance of surviving in the wreckage.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#49 - 2015-08-22 21:11:10 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
I'd say their tactics have evolved greatly, that was the purest example of a surgical strike that probably anyone has ever seen.


A precision strike, yes. Typically, when conducting a 'surgical strike', you use precisely the assets needed to accomplish the objective, and no more. The released fitting for the Seraph, including the Slave implants the Empress is acknowledged to have been using, would have meant it could survive a maximum of eight conventional Doomsdays - which, as we've seen, the Lux is roughly equivalent to. Ten ships, for certain results.

Not ten times that number.
Kairelle
Raven.Syndicate
#50 - 2015-08-22 22:07:27 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:
Wait a second,

The Amarr spent the last several centuries enslaving, raping and killing our people and some of you get down on this message because it's crass and disrespectful?

F*ck that! What respect do we owe these people? How is it they get to slaughter our people and our culture but have to play nice because their leader got ganked?

Screw it. I'm glad she's dead! She was no friend to the Matari. She was, at best, a living PR stunt.

Hey, I heard a new one. How many Amarr does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Answer: Doesn't matter, the Drifters will just come along and pop it anyways.

First rule for a baby pilot is that you're not safe the second you undock and never fly something you can't afford to lose. The Empress was too stupid to understand that and got her slaving ass blown up for it.

Yeah, the Drifters are a severe threat for everyone. I get that. We got lots of them in our skies. But I'm not gonna cry because they happened to kill the ***** that destroyed the Elder Fleet.

Boo hoo Amarr, you lost your leader. Maybe getting your ***** murdered will give you some perspective for when you murder my people.

Zero regrets. Zero respect.

No abolition, no peace.


You really are an idiot eh?
Keep barking little one...just hope its not up the wrong tree.

Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Markus Error
Manfios
#51 - 2015-08-23 01:20:21 UTC
Hm.

While some celebrate, I have to say, this wasn't the glorious day some would make it out to be.

Still, odds are actually decent she has a clone. What with coming back from the dead previously, and all.

"If it cannot be shot the #### down, it can always be blown the #### up."

-Unknown
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2015-08-23 05:02:58 UTC
Markus Error wrote:
Still, odds are actually decent she has a clone. What with coming back from the dead previously, and all.

Respectfully, people keep saying this as though it means Amarr hasn't necessarily lost its Empress. That's not at all the case.

Think of the title as an implant that precludes clone jumping and which nobody gets more than once in a career. That's pretty much the situation here.

Jamyl Sarum might possibly live, though it seems a unlikely to me. If any capsule in the world was unequipped with cloning systems, it would have been that one.

Regardless, Empress Jamyl I is dead.
NeoShocker
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#53 - 2015-08-23 05:30:47 UTC
I am very sure there are suicidal terrorists in the Titan. The damage reported on the Titan is conflicting. Likely Empress is murdered within the ship while under the pretense of Drifter attacks.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#54 - 2015-08-23 08:45:29 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:

Perhaps, but things getting worse before they get better is often the case. The facts remain. The Empire were never going to release our people willingly,other than broken and indoctrinated little weapons against the Tribes.

Typical tribal ignorance and iyammarok grade of stupidity.
Her Majesty has released slaves based on their generation, not "indoctrination" or being "a weapon", like primitive savages claim.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#55 - 2015-08-23 08:48:04 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
I remember when the Ray of Matar died and for the most part we Amarrians were very respectful of that fact.

Glad to see the favor returned in kind.

That's why you don't cast pearls before swine, Lord Crases.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#56 - 2015-08-23 09:33:06 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

No.

No, she was piloting what appears to have been a normal Promethean titan, not the Empire's Iapetan titan. In addition, she was protected by, as near as I could tell, fewer than a dozen Aeon-class supercarriers. Not even close to 'the largest fleet in New Eden'. Maybe if the entire Navy had been there, you could say that... but these days?

There are places where what the Amarr Navy brought in would be considered a gate camp.

The Drifters' tactics are supposedly evolving and adapting, but in the last series of engagements, we've consistently seen them focus fire with their doomsdays - even when using them far in excess of any reasonable need.

If they come for us, they'll kill some ships, yes. But I have no doubt they'll find they've bitten off far more than they're used to.


Considering their ability to make an easy job out of a single Avatar class titan, and that what we have now seen of their ships are mere battlecruiser sized weapons, I would not bet on trying one of the Imud-Hubraus next time... It seems highly hazardous as it is.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#57 - 2015-08-23 09:41:01 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Considering their ability to make an easy job out of a single Avatar class titan, and that what we have now seen of their ships are mere battlecruiser sized weapons, I would not bet on trying one of the Imud-Hubraus next time... It seems highly hazardous as it is.


Battleship. Large hull classes, not Medium. And beyond the Lux, their weapons are... anemic. Useless beyond 150km, and they don't hit for any power past 100km. The ships are fast, yes, but that's nothing that can't be dealt with - and they've demonstrated that they'll use the Lux on drones. Use a number of sniper drone-boats to draw out the Lux volley, then... bring in the blapdreads, and moonwalk out.
Markus Error
Manfios
#58 - 2015-08-23 13:05:47 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Markus Error wrote:
Still, odds are actually decent she has a clone. What with coming back from the dead previously, and all.

Respectfully, people keep saying this as though it means Amarr hasn't necessarily lost its Empress. That's not at all the case.

Think of the title as an implant that precludes clone jumping and which nobody gets more than once in a career. That's pretty much the situation here.

Jamyl Sarum might possibly live, though it seems a unlikely to me. If any capsule in the world was unequipped with cloning systems, it would have been that one.

Regardless, Empress Jamyl I is dead.

Wasn't my intention to imply the Empress survived; just that it's possible Jamyl Sarum did. Or her (presumed?) infomorph, anyhow.



"If it cannot be shot the #### down, it can always be blown the #### up."

-Unknown
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2015-08-23 14:51:12 UTC
Markus Error wrote:
Wasn't my intention to imply the Empress survived; just that it's possible Jamyl Sarum did. Or her (presumed?) infomorph, anyhow.

Okay. There just seemed to be some ... uh, confused discussion, earlier. I apologize for mistaking your remarks for something of that sort.

And ... yeah, it's possible. It'd be interesting, if so, and maybe a little awkward.

I don't think the Amarr are accustomed to having ex-empresses wandering around.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#60 - 2015-08-23 15:23:52 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:

Perhaps, but things getting worse before they get better is often the case. The facts remain. The Empire were never going to release our people willingly,other than broken and indoctrinated little weapons against the Tribes.

Typical tribal ignorance and iyammarok grade of stupidity.
Her Majesty has released slaves based on their generation, not "indoctrination" or being "a weapon", like primitive savages claim.

What she did would be in many ways the same as the Gallante stripping Caldari Prime of every natural resource, deterraforming the planet and giving it back to you. Her giving them back still was an attack, an attack veiled in kind gesture. In the end we got many of our people back, but long after the damage was already done. They were free to come back, yes but if given the option to go to what has become an alien lifestyle versus what you and your more recent ancestors have lived their whole lives. They were given a choice between what they know and were always told to be and what they don't know at the drop of a hat. Whether inadvertantly or not it was a pretty twisted attack for as much the freed as those fighting for their freedom.