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MLU's on a strip miner? Yes or no.

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Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-08-22 15:33:59 UTC
I just bought a Procurer and I asked help if a mining laser upgrade improves your output with a strip miner. Someone said no yet when I reviewed a fit for a Procurer on Wiki, there are two MLU's installed.

Which is correct?

Danke Sehr.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-08-22 15:38:53 UTC
They do help.

That said, you need to evaluate whether you want more yield or more tank.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-08-22 15:55:07 UTC
how do low slots contribute to a procurers tank
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-08-22 16:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Damage Control.

DC I'd consider near essential if mining in an area where ganking happens, and Procurer has only 2 low slots
Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-08-22 16:03:29 UTC
You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one?
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#6 - 2015-08-23 23:19:27 UTC
Yes, train for Mining Laser Upgrades II. Each MLU 1 will boost mining amount 5%. Each MLU 2 will boost it 9%.

You can easily get 50K EHP using both low slots for Mining Laser Upgrades with a Procurer. You don't need the DC unless you know a group of gankers are in the system with you.

If you download a copy of EFT you can play around with fitting options and it will show you the effect on Ore Yield.



ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-08-24 00:11:05 UTC
Abraham Kennedy wrote:
I asked help if a mining laser upgrade improves your output with a strip miner. Someone said no yet when I reviewed a fit for a Procurer on Wiki, there are two MLU's installed.

So now you know. Don't ever take anything anyone in this game says at face value. You can ask but you are going to want to confirm everything through experimentation or multiple sourcing info like you did here.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2015-08-24 00:16:27 UTC
Abraham Kennedy wrote:
You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one?

Why would this have any bearing on the discussion ?
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-08-24 00:18:24 UTC
Abraham Kennedy wrote:
You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one?

Not sure how you can presume to know what someone else knows or doesn't know.

Also are calling someone else a girl in a derogatory manner as if somehow being female is a lesser state?

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2015-08-24 02:52:32 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
how do low slots contribute to a procurers tank


damage control
reinforced bulkhead
cargo expanders (however this is a negative contribution)
mapc to help fit a MSE.

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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#11 - 2015-08-24 03:41:51 UTC
Post 5 might be the most confusing thing I've read in some time.

There are all our dominion

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Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-08-24 15:57:54 UTC
Must resist urge to advise to fit full yield....

No, put a DCII in a low slot and put a WCS in the other.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#13 - 2015-08-24 18:34:08 UTC
The tank v. yield argument overlooks the fact that the best fit for a procurer includes a scram in the mids. Big smile

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#14 - 2015-08-24 18:34:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Apol
It's all about risk versus reward.

MLUs increase your reward but also increase the risk of losing your ship entirely.

As for alternatives there's a few already mentioned;

- warp core stabilisers might counteract a warp disruptor and let you warp away from the gankers but tbh against a procurer they'll probably have multiple ships and multiple scrams so it's probably a useless option when properly examined.

- a damage control along with a reinforced bulkhead and transverse bulkheads in the rig slots can effectively double the base HP of your procurer which makes you incredibly unpalatable to common gankers especially in a procurer. In spite of it's native shield bonus, hull tanking barges is actually incredibly effective (and frees up midslots for a survey scanner and an MWD). Even a DC2 on it's own makes a massive difference

- inertia stabilisers along with low friction nozzle joints in the rigs almost halve your align time, meaning you can warp out before the gankers land on grid with you (using local chat and/or dscan to stay aware of approaching threats). This can be great if you're an awake pilot as you won't even need to worry about them scratching your paint.


TLDR a damage control and a single MLU will dissuade most gankers whilst still offering some yield bonus and is probably your best bet - but make sure you back it up with appropriate midslots and rigs. Get a fitting program and test them out yourself to see how you can tweak it, it's much more rewarding than just asking for a cookie cutter fit from the forums - although that can be a great place to get an idea of how you might start to fit it.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Bitevni Shalina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-08-25 08:02:43 UTC
A bit of EFT warrior:

[Procurer, serios tank]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

ML-3 Scoped Survey Scanner
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Mining Drone I x4
Mining Drone I x1

...gives you over 71 kEHP and 1110 m3 paper yield

[Procurer, Max tank]
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Survey Scanner II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II

Mining Drone I x4
Mining Drone I x1

...gives you almost 87 kEHP and 1034 m3 paper yield. Cold. Overheating hardeners will get you 93 kEHP for 2 and a half minutes.

Average ganking catalyst manage to deal about 7-8 kEHP before CONCORD comes. That catalyst costs about 9 milions including fitting. Gankers hate to lose ISK war, so even this camikadze pure yield fit:
[Procurer, Max yield]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Survey Scanner II
5MN Microwarpdrive II
Drone Navigation Computer I
Drone Navigation Computer I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II

Mining Drone II x5

will require 4 catalysts to kill you (29 kEHP, 1431 m3 yield). Gankers will lose up to 36 milions and your procurer with all the fitting is hardly worth that much. So you can see much less procurers killed in high sec comparing to other barges - it is cheap and tanked. Simply not worth it. But if you are in war or gave gankers reason to hunt especially you, you will be ganked no matter what tank you will use.

This is fit for newbie miner, that I would use:
[Procurer, Newbie]
Mining Laser Upgrade I
Mining Laser Upgrade I

ML-3 Scoped Survey Scanner
Medium Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Strip Miner I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Mining Drone I x4
Mining Drone I x1
Hobgoblin I x 5

It gives you about 46 kEHP and about 900 m3 yield, depends on your skills. Need 5+ catalysts to get it down and is so cheap, that gankers will gank every single barge around you but not you.

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-08-25 10:27:18 UTC
Just find a belt with other miners and position your Procurer near a Retriever, Covetor, Hulk, Mack ... and you are safe. P

I'm my own NPC alt.

Emperor Furiosa
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-08-25 21:17:55 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Abraham Kennedy wrote:
You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one?

Why would this have any bearing on the discussion ?



You know that kind of personalities - if female said something it is by default a silly or bad joke thing.

OP are you a boy oh just wanna be one??

Read module description properly then try it!
Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-08-26 12:06:25 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Abraham Kennedy wrote:
You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one?

Why would this have any bearing on the discussion ?


Why are you trolling?
Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-08-26 12:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Abraham Kennedy
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Abraham Kennedy wrote:
You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one?

Not sure how you can presume to know what someone else knows or doesn't know.

Also are calling someone else a girl in a derogatory manner as if somehow being female is a lesser state?


It was just a question. Why are you getting defensive? By viewing avatars there seems to be large group of women playing this game and it surprises me. I wonder if that many females are playing or for some reason many guys are using female avatars.

On WOT, female players were uncommon. I do not know any women in RL that play MMO's. For that matter, I know few adults that play PC games in RL.
Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-08-26 12:20:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Abraham Kennedy
Emperor Furiosa wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Abraham Kennedy wrote:
You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one?

Why would this have any bearing on the discussion ?



You know that kind of personalities - if female said something it is by default a silly or bad joke thing.

OP are you a boy oh just wanna be one??

Read module description properly then try it!



You really really really misread my message. There is no reason to get defensive about my question. I truly thought the person was being sarcastic (funny). I wasn't dissing the poster because of his/her sex at all. I was curious if she was she because from my experience, there are not that many female gamers.

There is no need to get agitated. I want to know why there are so many female avatars.

Oh and the module description does not say anything either way. My question was legit.
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