EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hi space folks,

I'm reading lots of stuff about fozziesov etc.

I've spent all of my 2 years in EVE in lowsec so I don't know much about sov and I can't really understand most of the arguments I read about.


Can someone kindly explain to me what are currently the benefits of owning sov? What do you actually get if you own a system or a few?

Excluding the pride of planting your flag on the map of course, which is cool I guess but doesn't give any practical benefits AFAIK.


Thanks!

Let me know when you find out. A lot of us who do are asking the same question these days.

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pretty much this.

That's a really easy one. SOV is nothing more than a massive castle you build in the sandbox, toppling over other kid's feeble attempts, bullying them out of the way to make room for your epic construction and then stand on top of it and shout "come at me bros!" real loud. BOB understood this, some others did as well, but the truth is that a large portion of the "fierce 0.0 PVPers" are in fact just carebears as they need a REASON for it and aren't in it for the conflict itself (see the old north like D2, Iron, ASCN but also Goons etc).

"Where's the profit?", "what's the point" is really no different from "what's the point of PVPing?" and that terrible carebear question lead to FW where there's supposed to be mechanics for monetary reasons & gains to PVP which for a sandbox is a terrible concept. Not everyone wants to have a big castle, not everyone has the friends to build that thing, not everyone has the energy to do so and the simple solution to that is: "then don't do it".

The use for nations is war, the use for SOV is conflict :)

1) Creating new outposts
2) Being able to upgrade outposts to be the best stations at refining/production/research etc
3) Jump Bridges
4) Cyno Jammers
5) Supercapital production
6) Being able to upgrade space to provide more anomalies for mining & ratting
7) Most of all, the ability to turn into a fantastically entitled sulky bitterposting bad

1) What happened is that all the pvpbears all cuddled up creating bigger and bigger groups because they're really not interested in conflict at all, what they want is a status quo so they can grind in peace. This resulted in such a massive powerblock where everyone in a 20-30 jump range is blue that there is no reason to contest it, first of all because they're all friendlies and, from the other side, because it's just an impossible fortress to take. So their carebear desire for stability and grinding resulted in a boring stalemate, who knew.

They created a monster and instead of fixing what they did wrong they chose to avoid the issue, being the carebears that they are. They won't admit to this of course so instead they will blame the SOV mechanics, ignoring the fact that years ago massive/fun/worthwhile fights actually happened a lot with similar/worse game mechanics. Their desire to not have meaningful and challenging fights resulted in them getting bored and instead of manning up about that and doing something about it they created alts and (to keep in line with their desire to not have challenging fights) decided to gank miners, and thus CODE was born.



2) conflict

I can only make assumptions from my own point of view here.

1) Holding Sov can be a lot of work with very little benefits. Sure it is nice to be able to upgrade systems, but I never cared about any form of PvE in 0.0. While I was living in 0.0 I only was living there for PvP and there is not really much of a benefit for you, if you only care about shooting other ppl. As I was in PL pretty much no member of the alliance cared about being able to upgrade systems to get more ISK from PvP activites. Ship replacement programs can be run from alliance taxes on moon goo operations, so you do not really need an income from ppl killing rats as well.

I became inactive at the time when they just started installing renters everywhere, while that surely was some nice extra income the alliance surely could have easily survived without it.

On a personal level, I can just as easily just grind Level 4 Missions or run incursions in High Sec without any logistical effort and make more money than I actually need. (I don´t want to say that this it how it should be in my opinion, but that is the way it currently is and has been for quite a few years now, so I surely take advantage of the broken system).

Being able to build Supers is all good, but only a minority of ppl are actually into that, so I guess most people do not care about that either.

Jump bridges can be handy, but to be honost you can live very good without them as well.

So to sum it up. Holding Sov for someone like me brings 0 benefits on a personal level. The stuff that interested me about 0.0 was always possible without owning a single system.

2) While it might seem silly to be able to anchor a POS in hostile space it can be essential for some campaigns as staging point for your fleet. I can remember quite a few situations in the days when PL was working as mercs where we staged purely out of POSs).

Also being able to anchor a POS or multiple ones in hostile space can enable smaller groups to profit from the ressources in areas which are not so heavily populated without the requirement of owning that space (though I would guess that nowadays people barely ever use it for that these days as there are easier and better ways to make ISK).

I guess if you want an accurate answer to that question you will have to ask ccp :).

Yeah, posts feel like a troll, but this is Newbie Q/A, so, tried to answer as if they were serious requests for info.

Why shouldn't it? If the sov holder doesn't want it he can destroy it again (or not if he is too weak).
Also I think people with specific roles in the sov holding alliance get notifications if an enemy POS is setup in one of their owned systems.