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Should EVE Online be reset?

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#141 - 2015-08-21 22:26:35 UTC
Leave all the supers but make the functionally identical to new player frigates..... Lol
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#142 - 2015-08-21 22:37:46 UTC
I like the idea. CCP could plan some good changes to the game they couldn't otherwise make without upsetting too many.



Complete reset I would like, but never more than one server. Test server is test server, but NO other shards besides the Chinese one.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#143 - 2015-08-22 00:03:31 UTC
Feawen wrote:
a LOT


Laughably Obvious Troll?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Jenshae Chiroptera
#144 - 2015-08-22 03:31:16 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
... Jenn is my favorite poster...
I can't say that I am surprised. P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2015-08-22 05:04:52 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
if ccp want to refund my subscription fees, i'll be happy for them to totally wipe the game.

Actually .......

If CCP refunded all subscription fees paid for the account ..... Of course we all know that would never happen.

As for the OP's idea to reset everything back to start ......................


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
ISD FlowingSpice
ISD SYAD
ISD Alliance
#146 - 2015-08-22 05:09:56 UTC
Snipped some trolling.

Vice Admiral

SYAD - Systems Administration

Interstellar Services Department
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#147 - 2015-08-22 11:22:37 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
... Jenn is my favorite poster...
I can't say that I am surprised. P

You're my least favorite...always whining and cutting people down...
Jenshae Chiroptera
#148 - 2015-08-22 11:52:55 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
... cutting people down...
Are you oblivious to what aSnide does?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Arbitos
GamCorp
Almost Broken
#149 - 2015-08-22 11:57:49 UTC
Snowmann wrote:
Note: Reset all skills may be fine, but not skill points.


The only comment in this thread that actually made me think for a moment.
AARC
Hallowed are The ORI
#150 - 2015-08-22 11:58:41 UTC
Funny, you guys are getting stomped to hell and back, i.e. losing the fight. And now you are whining about a full server wide reset?
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#151 - 2015-08-22 16:27:00 UTC
AARC wrote:
Funny, you guys are getting stomped to hell and back, i.e. losing the fight. And now you are whining about a full server wide reset?


Surprisingly interesting insight into mindset. After the alliance headshot on Cascade Imminent, I was for a short while in a what is the point mindset. I mean there was a group of power players that were for all intents and purpose, invincible. The power projection was just too great. I held it not against those guys. I mean they worked hard to build up to what they had and were playing appropriately.

TEST, respect on that headshot.

But at the same time, it was limiting gameplay. Hence the revitalization of how sov works. It angered many people, but now Nullsec is able to support a larger density and over time, it can be expected to increase vitality and the dynamics. In addition. The changes that make mobile front lines instead of just a hotdrop sniping enhances small alliance abilities and what I hope for, actually bring in a necessity for neutral parties. That is a discussion for another topic.

So point being? Reset, no. But addressing why there is a (small) call for a reset? Yes.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#152 - 2015-08-22 16:34:28 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
I mean there was a group of power players that were for all intents and purpose, invincible. The power projection was just too great. I held it not against those guys. I mean they worked hard to build up to what they had and were playing appropriately.

Project some interceptors and troll them

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#153 - 2015-08-22 16:54:32 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Project some interceptors and troll them


Not my play style. That goes to other topics as well. Limited alternatives mean limited player base. Sides, back then I was also trolling goon space, as well as before and after. My isk came from exploration, my systems of choice were goon ones. I loved it when a big wack of ships would show up trying to find me, and then rant on forums of AFK cloaker. Or even more, when ratters would dock up.

But that was a side effect of what I was doing. The interceptor run and kite and disrupt would be fun at first, but very boing quite quickly. Sides, if they wanted the system, what would they care about an interceptor buzzing about in a ratting system during a CTA?

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#154 - 2015-08-22 18:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiryen O'Bannon
Jenn aSide wrote:
I think there is a simularity between people who believe a reset will 'help' them (or the situation in general) and things like Fozzie sov (that's supposed to "open up" opportunities for the previously disenfranchised "small guy") and other changes CCP has made or wanted to make.

Some people have the idea that "I want to do things, but I can't because of this unfairness, if only this injustice didn't exist, I would shine!" lol. What really happens is that when you remove all these 'barriers' you find the same people who succeeded in the past end up succeeding again (because success is a part of who they are and how they think) and the people who failed in the past (and blamed it on the barriers) keep failing.

This is why CCPs attempts to "open up the game" have failed, the kind of person who will continue to play EVE past the trial would have continued under almost any circumstances, people who quit would have quit anyway.

I actually saw this happen in real life, a guy working for my organization claimed that a few policies we had were all that was holding him back. So he ends up working for another organization that doesn't have the same restrictions....and still hasn't made any progress (and is now blaming it on a new set of conditions...conditions that didn't exist in the original organization lol).

BTW, In the exact same time frame I've been promoted twice, because the things that guy thought were barriers , weren't Cool

The environment and circumstances matter sure, but at the end of the day, whether one experiences success or failure is fundamentally internal, not external. A Reset of EVE Online would just be confirmation of the fact that some people suck at gaming and others don't. We already know this lol.


The mentality you're describing is a major problem in real life; half the political spectrum is devoted to removing "barriers" to people's success, then inventing new barriers to remove in order to keep the gravy train going.

In real life people at least have the excuse that there's been plenty of real injustice in the world - EVE is a game. If it's unjust and unfair, get better or quit. Major "rock in the pond changes" because ~reasons~ are a terrible idea, but people with no critical thinking or analysis skills like to advocate for them. Look at the OP - despite "thinking a lot" no actual reasoning is presented.

Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... I'm going to keep talking, ...
... or you can try putting on a different record and having an original thought this year instead of repeating the same one from years gone by.


Unfortunately for you, in order to accuse someone of argumentum ad nauseum, you also have to demonstrate that there's some other flaw in their argument. All you're doing is whining that he repeats himself a lot - if you could post an actual flaw in his position that'd be a valid criticism, but since you aren't, and he's got a right to post as much as he wants all you're really doing is a form of ad hom attack.

To illustrate, I am really tired of hearing the "click it or ticket" campaign but no matter how irritating it is, it doesn't change the fact that seat belts are a good idea.

All you're really doing here is complaining that "You're saying things I don't like too much."

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Maradusa Macarthy
Doomheim
#155 - 2015-08-24 13:26:11 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... The environment and circumstances matter sure, but at the end of the day, whether one experiences success or failure is fundamentally internal, not external. A Reset of EVE Online would just be confirmation of the fact that some people suck at gaming and others don't. We already know this lol.
Why haven't you tried to form your own cult yet?


pfft
Jenshae Chiroptera
#156 - 2015-08-24 14:30:28 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... I'm going to keep talking, ...
... or you can try putting on a different record and having an original thought this year instead of repeating the same one from years gone by.
Unfortunately for you, in order to accuse someone of argumentum ad nauseum, you also have to demonstrate that there's some other flaw in their argument. ...
Arguing against an opinion is notoriously futile as it is seldom possible to empirically disprove.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#157 - 2015-08-24 14:37:14 UTC
A reset is a terrible idea, but TBH if they opened a new US server, I'd abandon my current characters and start over there, if for no other reason than to see if I get a lot fewer "socket closed" disconnects. I've played a lot of MMOs over the years, and never got disconnected near as often as happens to me in this one.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#158 - 2015-08-24 14:46:17 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... I'm going to keep talking, ...
... or you can try putting on a different record and having an original thought this year instead of repeating the same one from years gone by.
Unfortunately for you, in order to accuse someone of argumentum ad nauseum, you also have to demonstrate that there's some other flaw in their argument. ...
Arguing against an opinion is notoriously futile as it is seldom possible to empirically disprove.


So is your belief that failure must mostly be external. That is your belief right? Because the post you responded to offered only the observation that a Reset won't help like some people like they think it would, because the problem was never the wealth or SP of other players, the problem was and is the limitations people put on themselves. Off all people you should understand this, Fozzie sov was put in place along much of the same thinking, and you've posted against that system.

You and I both know the real deal here though. What I said (and the things I say) strike too close to home with you, they go against what you need to believe, and yet you can't figure out a way to fight it with logic. So you lash out like a 5 year old who had his juice box taken from him, rather than reacting like an adult who has full confidence in his perspective.

I've said this to many a broken person who chose to post on this forum, and ill say it to you, if lashing out at me makes you feel better, have at it, but it ain't going to fix your problem..which is you.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#159 - 2015-08-24 14:59:56 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I think there is a simularity between people who believe a reset will 'help' them (or the situation in general) and things like Fozzie sov (that's supposed to "open up" opportunities for the previously disenfranchised "small guy") and other changes CCP has made or wanted to make.

Some people have the idea that "I want to do things, but I can't because of this unfairness, if only this injustice didn't exist, I would shine!" lol. What really happens is that when you remove all these 'barriers' you find the same people who succeeded in the past end up succeeding again (because success is a part of who they are and how they think) and the people who failed in the past (and blamed it on the barriers) keep failing.

This is why CCPs attempts to "open up the game" have failed, the kind of person who will continue to play EVE past the trial would have continued under almost any circumstances, people who quit would have quit anyway.

I actually saw this happen in real life, a guy working for my organization claimed that a few policies we had were all that was holding him back. So he ends up working for another organization that doesn't have the same restrictions....and still hasn't made any progress (and is now blaming it on a new set of conditions...conditions that didn't exist in the original organization lol).

BTW, In the exact same time frame I've been promoted twice, because the things that guy thought were barriers , weren't Cool

The environment and circumstances matter sure, but at the end of the day, whether one experiences success or failure is fundamentally internal, not external. A Reset of EVE Online would just be confirmation of the fact that some people suck at gaming and others don't. We already know this lol.


The mentality you're describing is a major problem in real life; half the political spectrum is devoted to removing "barriers" to people's success, then inventing new barriers to remove in order to keep the gravy train going.

In real life people at least have the excuse that there's been plenty of real injustice in the world - EVE is a game. If it's unjust and unfair, get better or quit. Major "rock in the pond changes" because ~reasons~ are a terrible idea, but people with no critical thinking or analysis skills like to advocate for them. Look at the OP - despite "thinking a lot" no actual reasoning is presented.


Exactly. The 'remove the barriers' types always mean well IMO (in game and out), but by not recognizing where the actual problem comes from (mostly inside, outside can be a problem but that can be overcome), they're solutions always miss the mark. Not only miss the mark, but frequently make things worse for the very people who they were trying to help.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#160 - 2015-08-24 15:01:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
... So is your belief that failure must mostly be external. ...
My opinion is that it is usually a balance of both external and internal. However, I don't see this as a revelation that I must lecture people upon at every available opportunity.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.