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Should EVE go Free To Play?

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Asinar
The Hotdog
#1 - 2015-08-22 02:30:59 UTC
Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).

Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.

One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.

I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.


Do you think F2P will happen?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2015-08-22 02:36:15 UTC
Asinar wrote:
Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).


Think longer next time. Then you won't need to start a CAM thread.

Mr Epeen Cool
Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
#3 - 2015-08-22 02:40:16 UTC
Asinar wrote:
Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).

Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.

One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.

I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.


Do you think F2P will happen?



Should Bananas taste yellow or white? I can never decide.
Carebear Alternative
Echelon Research
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2015-08-22 02:51:24 UTC
F2P just docking/undocking costs $0.05 every time.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-08-22 02:52:55 UTC
Asinar wrote:
Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).

Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.

One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.

I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.


Do you think F2P will happen?


Only if you can use plex to start skill training.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2015-08-22 02:59:18 UTC
Asinar wrote:
Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).

Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
…ehm…

“What little?” You mean, their entire source of income? That sounds like a pretty huge downside, especially since there's nothing sensible in the way of monetisation to replace it with…

The downside is that the game is not built around any kind of F2P model. Therefore, it will not work as a F2P game unless it is completely rebuilt from the ground up.

Quote:
Do you think F2P will happen?
It seems to be the standard last death spasm of MMOs, so it might happen once the game is finally about to end
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#7 - 2015-08-22 03:02:22 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Asinar wrote:
Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).

Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.

One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.

I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.


Do you think F2P will happen?


Only if you can use plex to start skill training.


Personally I'd be ok with using a sub/plex as a measure for sp generation. Those who have already achieved most of their personal milestones will probably not care about harvesting more SP anyway. They can simply get on with enjoying the game for what it is instead of farming for plex (or outright unsubbing if they cc it).

A "pay for progression" system is fair and honest with the consumer as opposed to content being locked outright by paywalls.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#8 - 2015-08-22 03:04:07 UTC
Asinar wrote:
Should EVE go Free To Play?
No.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-08-22 03:30:39 UTC
i would prefer a freemium approach.

Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... That stuff could be free.

But giving the entire game away for free ? that's gonna cause more problems than it's gonna solve.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#10 - 2015-08-22 03:32:56 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
... Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... .
So, level up your Raven then get PLEX?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#11 - 2015-08-22 03:49:57 UTC
Wait, it's not?

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solrac lara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-08-22 03:53:13 UTC
GOD No NONO JUST NO microtransactions are killing the videogame industry and i assure you there is nothing more toxic that the F2P comunity the game will be full abaut crying 14 old kids asking for nerfs and titans before you can blink.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2015-08-22 03:56:47 UTC
I pay for my subscription because I play to have fun, not make ISK.
With limited time anyways it wouldn't be practical for me to try to grind up to buy plex on the market; also I don't really do much PVE anymore.

That being said, I really don't have enough NO to adequately respond to this idea. There's just not enough of it available on Earth for the point to be gotten across properly.

Subscriptions already generate SP, you just have to keep your training queue active. As for accelerating it via plex, see the above statement regarding 'NO' and it's available quantities. You would end up with student drivers behind the wheels of race cars everywhere, and all the tragic hilarity that entails along with it.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-08-22 04:07:18 UTC
Is it me, or are there a lot more of these "Should EVE (insert dumb idea here)!?" threads lately?

Grrr.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#15 - 2015-08-22 04:27:33 UTC
Asinar wrote:
Do you think F2P will happen?

I don't know, but I have some trees that sort of need trimming. Heeeeey, how about you come over and Free-2-Prune my trees? Yeaaah! Promises I won't charge you a dime to do it, unless you want to upgrade to power tools Straight
But will be so much fun, yes?

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#16 - 2015-08-22 05:16:53 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
i would prefer a freemium approach.

Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... That stuff could be free.

But giving the entire game away for free ? that's gonna cause more problems than it's gonna solve.


Highsec should be the subscription portion of the game.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-08-22 05:30:40 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
i would prefer a freemium approach.

Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... That stuff could be free.

But giving the entire game away for free ? that's gonna cause more problems than it's gonna solve.


Highsec should be the subscription portion of the game.


never thought about it that way. brilliant idea.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#18 - 2015-08-22 08:43:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
EVE going free to play would make it a game catering to whales and abandoning free to play player. That would bring short burst into player numbers and then same huge drop. Probably every free to play game out there looks like that. I havent seen an exception from this.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#19 - 2015-08-22 08:48:00 UTC
Betteridge law: "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no".

Saves a lot of time, really.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
permion
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-08-22 09:05:26 UTC
Have you ever played a territory control MMO with free players?

It sucks, a lot.
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