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Kiandoshia

Pator Tech School

Minmatar Republic

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#21 - 2015-08-21 19:55:06 UTC

Estella Osoka wrote:

Kiandoshia wrote:

Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:

Maybe they dont have Tactical Shild Manipulation V?

Is that actually how it works?

I don't have that skill at 5 and I can't remember ever seeing damage bleed into armour at low shield on my own ships.

TSM at 5 means there is 0 chance of damage to bleed into armor until it has gone through all of your shields. It works like this:

TSM 1 = at 20% shield left, damage can bleed into armor.
TSM 2 = at 15% shield left, damage can bleed into armor.
TSM 3 = at 10% shield left, damage can bleed into armor.
TSM 4 = at 5% shield left, damage can bleed into armor.
TSM 5 = damage does not bleed into armor until all shield is gone.

How high is the chance of this happening?

Scipio Artelius

Weaponised Vegemite

Flying Dangerous

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#22 - 2015-08-21 19:58:55 UTC

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

k bait tanking is a thing because you can always bet on greed and stupidity .
that aside , whet the hell are you on about?

I think he's maybe talking about this Mr Hyde video and how terribad he must be for dying at the end instead of taking out the rest of the ships and surviving. Never mind the bait tanking that just kept them coming back to make it such an epic encounter to begin with:

http://youtu.be/DyFB03FMc7g

Unsuccessful At Everything

The Troll Bridge

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#23 - 2015-08-21 20:48:04 UTC

Scipio Artelius wrote:

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

k bait tanking is a thing because you can always bet on greed and stupidity .
that aside , whet the hell are you on about?

Wait... so.. this whole thing with the ASBs.. didn't even happen to the OP himself.. just some knucklehead on youtube?!?!?! Then what the ever living tap dancing **** is the OP so uppity and ranting about?!!??! Is this just he equivalent of some guy flipping out on the world because some favorite professional athlete missed a shot and/or lost a game?!?!??! Wow.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Sigma Special Tactics Group 8,697
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group Likes received: 8,697	#24 - 2015-08-21 20:48:37 UTC 1 I'm still waiting for an comparable aux module for hull repair. Hull tanking makes you a sexual tyrannosaurs like Jesse Ventura on chewing tobacco. Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#25 - 2015-08-21 20:55:37 UTC

Kiandoshia wrote:

How high is the chance of this happening?

Small enough that you don't really have to care unless you're in a very drawn-out and evenly matched fight where you (somehow) manage to constantly be below the shield threshold.

There's no tangible benefit to training TSM to V — in fact, it may actually make your tanking ability worse than if you leave it at IV (and even then, it's only for the T2 hardeners).

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Valkin Mordirc Likes received: 2,991	#26 - 2015-08-21 21:15:54 UTC 2 Doesn't shield regen peak once lowers past a certain percentage? So boosting at the point would technically be the most optimal time to boost? I remember hearing about it from somewhere but never really looked into it. Or is that just a load of hot air? `#DeleteTheWeak`

Ralph King-Griffin

New Eden Tech Support

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#27 - 2015-08-21 21:40:40 UTC

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

Scipio Artelius wrote:

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

k bait tanking is a thing because you can always bet on greed and stupidity .
that aside , whet the hell are you on about?

Have you watched that vid ? Real time it's a 20(ish) mins of a guy eating local in its entirety solo and going down in a blaze of glory.
I don't see where he got **** up from.

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Unsuccessful At Everything

The Troll Bridge

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#28 - 2015-08-21 21:52:19 UTC

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

Have you watched that vid ? Real time it's a 20(ish) mins of a guy eating local in its entirety solo and going down in a blaze of glory.
I don't see where he got **** up from.

Im sorry, but if I had a fight like that, I would be calling my doctor because my erection would definitely last longer than 4 hours.

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Hal Morsh

Doomheim

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#29 - 2015-08-21 22:00:02 UTC

The title lead me to believe he was complaining about ancillary shield boosters being OP or something.

After reading I realized he's upset about people dying when they still have plenty of tank. So really he's just upset some people failed at bait tanking. He's probably a CEO or something.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#30 - 2015-08-22 00:58:32 UTC | Edited by: Tippia

Valkin Mordirc wrote:

Doesn't shield regen peak once lowers past a certain percentage? So boosting at the point would technically be the most optimal time to boost?

I remember hearing about it from somewhere but never really looked into it.

Or is that just a load of hot air?

Yes. The formula (last I heard) was something along the lines of R=(4.8/T₁₀₀) × (1-Sₓ/S₁₀₀) × √(2×Sₓ/S₁₀₀-(Sₓ/S₁₀₀)²), where R is the current regen, T₁₀₀ is the total time to regen, Sₓ is the current shield value, and S₁₀₀ is max shields.

Or, rather, that's the only formula I've seen anyone provide, and it's supposedly close enough but it peaks at 30% shield rather than the 25% is (supposedly) should be. Either way, below that threshold, it rapidly drops off to having next to no regen; above it, it also drops off, but not quite as sharply.

That's why having TSM IV is actually better than TSM V: because your current shield stays in a region where it gets some (admittedly very minor) additional regen that it doesn't get at 0%.

Market McSelling Alt

Doomheim

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#31 - 2015-08-22 01:24:42 UTC

The only problem I have with charge based repair modules is the blatant discrepancy between Armor and Shield.

Why is it that not only is Shield Boosting more efficient than Armor, but it is also now completely capless. Doing the same thing with Armor and you get both the inefficiency of armor reps, the delay of rep and it still takes a large amount of capacitor.

Isn't it bad enough that Armor tanks sacrifice our dearest low slots? Fix armor tanking, then we can talk about nerfing Ancillary boosting.

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Jim Hazard

Fury Industry

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#32 - 2015-08-22 01:56:08 UTC

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

While I do not want to pretend that the following is a decent fitting.... the tank on it is just silly:

[Vargur, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Caldari Navy Co-Processor
Caldari Navy Co-Processor

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II

Bastion Module I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Cynosural Field Generator I

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Throw in A Sleipnier + Drugs + Crystal set + Overheating and you are looking at a 53K DPS tank Cyno Bait Vargur *g*.

Again... not being serious about the fitting.. I just find it kinda amusing.

Blah Zamayid

Imperial Academy

Amarr Empire

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#33 - 2015-08-22 23:53:11 UTC | Edited by: Blah Zamayid

Stitch Kaneland wrote:

HP is HP, regardless of if its in the armor, shield or hull. Letting armor bleed before repping isnt that absurd, especially with ASB tanks. As you want to use those charges as slowly as possible to have the maximum amount of time for reload. I bled some armor in a dual XLASB ferox just to bait the fight longer, and give plenty of time for reload. But mainly for bait tanking. Especially when you know dps on field cant break you.

Now, if someone says its more efficient to do it that way, id say no. Its all just psychology and letting your opponent make mistakes by making them assume your tank is breaking. Then they swoop in ontop of you, at which point, you can murder them.

You're statement is logically contradictory, you say HP is HP but you don't seem to have spotted that yes HP is HP and you should be saving it for the reload when you need it not randomly burning it off because you don't want to to use your charges yet... because Ugh

Again bait tanking is valid but if your not trying to do that then there is LITERATELY no other reason.

I suppose I could have chopped that original comment down to that but I was hyped up on redbull and had been up for 30 hours or so.

And to everybody out pointed that it was bait tanking or that I was incompressible I rewrote it several timers from the middle of the post and I missed putting back in bait tanking and also I messed up the syntax completely I'll go through and edit it.

Ripblade Falconpunch

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

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#34 - 2015-08-23 15:37:25 UTC

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

Gillia Winddancer wrote:

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

Im sure that I speak for pretty much everyone here in General Discussion when I say.. What?

Think he's raging about bait tanking....

I figured it was something like "we totally had him, but then he repped and we got owned waaaaa", but he came off like a 5 year old who saw the most amazing thing hes ever seen in his life, and he just ran in to tell you all about it, but hes winded and for some reason cant keep the story on point and in the end forgot why he ran in the house in the first place so he runs back outside, then back in because he realized he had to pee but its too late at that point and he peed himself.

So basically, we're posting in a stealth CAM thread?