Out of Pod Experience

Right after Isreal gets done for war crimes.

The problem is ... nations like Iran pretty much have to start the wars that destroy them.

Democracies are extremely reluctant to do what needs to be done - unless they are forced into it.

If the former leader of Iraq hadn't attacked Kuwait - he'd be alive and his sons would still be raping any girls they wanted - even though we KNEW then that he was working to make nukes. It wasn't until we got an overt action on his part - that things changed. Even then, even after invading Kuwait ... we did NOTHING about him for over ten years. Even then - if he'd continued to cooperate with the UN Weapons inspectors ... we probably wouldn't have invaded.

N. Korea - while they've pulled a few border stunts - hasn't done anything really serious (unless you were one of or related to some of the people they killed). So ... they were allowed to develop nuclear weapons because the powers that could have stopped them were not willing to do what needed to be done - that is - go to war with N. Korea - to stop them.



Lately Iran has been upset about all the sanctions put on them - though this isn't something that's going to get them to stop making nukes ... that kind of thing never does but ... it may make them mad enough to do something like try to block the Straights of Hormuz. They've tried that before - with little or no success.

Yes, they hit some oil takers with RPG's ... which is like a mosquito biting a horse. Now ... don't get me wrong ... mosquitoes can kill cattle (they swarm on and in their soft muzzles biting them so much their breathing passages swell up and the cow can't breath) but that's rare and ... takes a lot of mosquitoes.

Yes, they engaged USN ships escorting the tankers and - because they refused to respond to attempts to contact it - lost an air liner that had the misfortune to be flying right over the battle.

And yes - they lost a very large chunk of their Navy when the US sent in a carrier strike and blew some of it up.

But ... this was all skirmishing ... and nothing anyone was willing to go to war over.

Probably ... - note probably - that's all that's going to happen now.


As to taking out their nukes - that will probably happen - as it did before - when the Israelies feel they're to close to getting one going and take the place out. The Iranians are taking measures to prevent that - but that's ... probably what will happen.


The problem that Iran has that N. Korea doesn't - is a nation (Israel) that is even more fanatical than they are, with the means to do something about it.


Short of Iran invading Iraq (to say ... liberate the Shiites in the south) or getting a bomb and using it - the chances of the west going to war with Iran are slim. Skirmishes - yes. I could even see landings, in the form of raids, in the Hormuz area if we needed to take out facilities they were using to lay mines or fire missiles from - if we couldn't get them from the air - but that's about it.

A leadership change in Iran is more likely. That doesn't mean they'd suddenly become a democracy or anything like that - or give up their nuclear weapons program - but the clerics who really rule the country can remove it's civil leaders pretty much any time they want.


As to something like the Arab Spring happening ... probably not. The thing is - the reason we have the problem we do in Iran now - is that the nation is mostly made up of peasants who get all their news from their village Mullah's. The Shah, with his "White Revolution" tried to drag his country kicking and screaming out of the middle ages - but - because it's mostly very religious peasants ... they didn't want to go. When the liberal city dwellers turned on him because of his efforts to suppress just the kind of people who are in power now - he was in big trouble. Then he got cancer and ... then the Army, which was made up of peasants started joining the peasants ... and he was done. The religious fanatics that took over didn't kill off all the intelligent people - it wasn't another Cambodia and there was no Pol Pot - but they've put them in their place and suppressed their demonstrations. The thing the Iranian Intellectuals have against them - is that they are over whelmingly outnumbered by the peasants - who still do whatever their mullahs tell them to.

That's the thing about a war with Iran - is that unlike the former leader of Iraq - where a lot of the people just hated him - the Theocracy in Iran is largely supported by it's people. They're stuck in the middle ages - and like it that way. They would not be a push over the way Iraq was. Militarily there isn't much difference. Iran doesn't have that good a military - but - just as they cleared land mines with their bodies in the Iran/Iraq war - they'd fight fanatically against a western invasion. We could take over the country - but we'd have to kill millions of them to do it. There's a reason Iraq resorted to using gas on them ... and it worked fairly well. The difference between us and the former dictator of Iraq - is that it would bother us to kill millions of Iranians.


So ... an all out war with Iran - isn't something I see happening in the near future - unless the Iranians get really stupid.

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For those who still watch TV and yet replied in this thread - can you answer what country Iran attacked yet? (lets not count ancient times when Persian attacked Greece, etc). Before spilling your hipocrisy, take a look at Israel, which made nukes without letting anyone to know, and yet keeps expanding their teritory from 1948's up to now in aggressive manner. I don't know about you, but i feel symphathy to Iran, which 51% of society are persians - people who geneticaly are very close to today white Europeans.

The guys in charge are a bit nuts though

Politics. Before thread is locked by Phantom.

Iran is weak and they don't want war, nobody does. But they do have an ace card, this is Isreal and there is reason isreal established expanded borders for little airspace/intercept control.

as for NK they have rather a limited range of force (might I add, pitiful and flimsy- Iran could not rely on, especially full front with NATO or US for example).

in short Iran would be decimated with collateral damage. the price of this isn't worth it, mathematically Iran is out gunned and out nuked so they wouldn't do something mischievous, unless they're insane. But then again, US gov is insane. but who is more insane?

hmm. we're okay, but if it happens, Iran's next war is with sticks and stones.

Ron Paul would lose the peace by pulling all the troops home and cutting all foreign aid. Half the reason for the US having a worldwide presence is to keep the global markets friendly to and trading with the US.

There are plenty of countries that would love to fill the vacuum if US troops went home. China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Germany, etc.. I'm vaguely sure that if those countries were to establish spheres of influence, they would cut out the US from regional trade, and then we would really see our economy tank.

As to why no one wanted to attack N. Korea - yeah - they've got a million man army. Democracies don't like to do hard things and beating a million man army would be hard. And yes - Soul is right on the border. Thus ... now ... N. Korea has a million man army - and nukes.



As to Iran not attacking anybody? How about all the terrorists they support? How about their role in keeping the fighting going in Iraq? Ask the Israelies about Iran and you'll get an ear full.



As to them attacking someone themselves ... last thing I can think of was those islands they had a dispute with Iraq about. Under the Shah when they had a good military - they took the disputed islands and Iraq couldn't do anything about it. Then - when the Shah fell - Iraq took those islands back - and for the next 8 years or so you had the Iran/Iraq war. I'm sure it had more to do with it than that but I just don't remember at the moment.

For those interested:

Iran-Iraq War



As to Iran being allowed to have nukes - Obama, peace loving, liberal democrat Obama - has said they will not be allowed to have them. If the US & Israel decide that Iran can't have nukes - they won't get them - 'cause we'll blow them up first. What the Iranians will do about that remains to be seen. We'll pretty much know when it happens.

As to the Arabs getting all upset because we bombed the Persians? That pretty much is going to depend on how much they think of them as fellow muslims and how much they think of them as Persians. Note - if you call one the other - they are insulted.



Now, as to feeling sorry for Iran ... I feel sorry for the westernized Iranians. Those that supported the current government though ... nope ... no sympathy there.


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Ca. 40% of the West's oil passes through the Straits of Hormuz...This will end well

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/removes tin foil

Sorry, we need more chaos in this threads , else it will stagnate. I'm simply an observer. (hiss)

Both sides are trying to work the other into doing something stupid.