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This ASB BS has got to stop!
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Blah Zamayid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-08-21 17:57:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Blah Zamayid
Like really if anyone can tell me what the reason for someone purposefully bleeding into armour/hull while using an ASB on something like a Sleipnir which has 5,625 shields. With heat, a set a of high grade crystals and Strong Blue pill only boosts 2691 shields per shot of an ASB. Then why would you wait until armour to boost? Waiting tell 1/3 shields would be perfectly sufficient in making sure you don't waste your charges as long as you don't have auto repeat on... Which you shouldn't have auto repeat on.

If it's some trick to do with the heat on the module pleas tell me, but I'm just not seeing it. The reason for the post is a youtube video where someone in a Sleipnir lets them self's bleed multiple times until he is into 10% hull and then gets them self's alpha'ed for no good reason, and they didn't have high grade crystals and were not using Strong Blue pill I think they were using mid grades.

Anyway the point is this has gotten ridiculous and people apply the guide line of letting damage bleed into your amour onto ships which it makes absolutely no sense to apply it to, I get it in ships like the Vaga where you can boost basically your hole shield's in one go. So pleas people think before you just rubber stamp something a good idea just because a lot of people are saying it.

Edit; And yes I understand bait tanking is a thing, but I have heard many people say it is better to burn through some armour to save charges or that it is somehow better to burn through your armour because reasons. Like really I said after a fight with an ASB Golem on comms "They were probably trying to draw you in." because someone mentioned that they had gotten it into deep armour, then someone who was on the fleet "who died" came back saying the enemy Golem Pilot was trying to manage there charges...
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2015-08-21 17:58:30 UTC
Im sure that I speak for pretty much everyone here in General Discussion when I say.. What?






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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#3 - 2015-08-21 18:00:18 UTC
bait tanking. because if they think they have a chance to kill you they will keep shooting rather than disengage when you keep your HP full/near full. That said dropping that low does seem a bit foolish as a decent alpha will kill you.

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Blah Zamayid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-08-21 18:03:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Blah Zamayid
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
bait tanking. because if they think they have a chance to kill you they will keep shooting rather than disengage when you keep your HP full/near full. That said dropping that low does seem a bit foolish as a decent alpha will kill you.


No I have heard people in my corp... who I will not mention and will also not mention the corp... who think that you should always do that because it's inefficient to do otherwise and this was on a Golem and I was like that stupid your stupid go away. Well I didn't say it because it was a director but I was certainly thinking it, then clamly a politely explained why that was false.

Mind the same person also thought that having a damage control was better than having more EHP because you would be able to bleed into hull so... They aren't in the corp anymore... XD

I did actually mention in my youtube comment that baiting could be a valid reason for it tbh.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#5 - 2015-08-21 18:10:50 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Im sure that I speak for pretty much everyone here in General Discussion when I say.. What?


Not empty quoting, so take this:

http://i.imgur.com/Z7fzE8V.jpg
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-08-21 18:14:23 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Im sure that I speak for pretty much everyone here in General Discussion when I say.. What?






Think he's raging about bait tanking....
Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2015-08-21 18:20:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2015-08-21 18:20:49 UTC
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Im sure that I speak for pretty much everyone here in General Discussion when I say.. What?



Think he's raging about bait tanking....


I figured it was something like "we totally had him, but then he repped and we got owned waaaaa", but he came off like a 5 year old who saw the most amazing thing hes ever seen in his life, and he just ran in to tell you all about it, but hes winded and for some reason cant keep the story on point and in the end forgot why he ran in the house in the first place so he runs back outside, then back in because he realized he had to pee but its too late at that point and he peed himself.

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Blah Zamayid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-08-21 18:21:37 UTC
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Im sure that I speak for pretty much everyone here in General Discussion when I say.. What?






Think he's raging about bait tanking....


So I was raging against people like I mentioned in my previous post, as I have said I have heard from actually more than that one person that you should let your self bleed into amour because its inefficient to do otherwise on ships where it was not true, like plenty but it's not like anybody is going to stand up after realizing that they were being dumb and go yeah I thought that was the way it worked.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#10 - 2015-08-21 18:23:35 UTC
Blah Zamayid wrote:
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Im sure that I speak for pretty much everyone here in General Discussion when I say.. What?






Think he's raging about bait tanking....


So I was raging against people like I mentioned in my previous post, as I have said I have heard from actually more than that one person that you should let your self bleed into amour because its inefficient to do otherwise on ships where it was not true, like plenty but it's not like anybody is going to stand up after realizing that they were being dumb and go yeah I thought that was the way it worked.


So... I nailed it the first time with 'What?".

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Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-08-21 18:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Cancel Align NOW
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Im sure that I speak for pretty much everyone here in General Discussion when I say.. What?






I think he is referring to asb bs I'm not sure why he is so angry unless he is a local dairy farmer who borrowed 2mil plus to upgrade his rotary shed when Fonterra was paying out $6.85 per kilo of milk solids, and is now staring into a black pit as Fonterra offer him $3.85 for the up coming year, while ASB say "she'll be right just borrow another mil to get you through this year". John Steinbeck would roll in his grave at how stupid humanity can be.

If I am correct the op should have posted in OOPE.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-08-21 18:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Pure theory crafting incoming to be separate from bait tanking. A reasonable FC will switch targets if they see a massive jump like that. If there is another viable target.

The reason they do that is to maximize what little regeneration you have.

No matter what, that armor is taking damage. Nothing will change that. So wait until getting armor bleed if not shield comp 5. Then hit the one boost to tap yourself back to max passive regen. If it takes a while to bleed all your armor, that little bit of extra recharge can mean you have taken an additional cycle or more.

Flaw is recharge drops off fast, so would need to find what point the recharge rate on the lowside matched what rate would be highside after cycle to keep yourself in peak passive.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2015-08-21 18:30:19 UTC
k bait tanking is a thing because you can always bet on greed and stupidity .
that aside , whet the hell are you on about?

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State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-08-21 18:34:04 UTC
asb bs op plz nrf
srsly

Maybe he talks about the moment when the charges ran out and they were being reloaded into the booster, dunno.... Once cycle and shields are back 100%; would explain the rage.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#15 - 2015-08-21 18:50:10 UTC
Translation of OP: People bleed into armor, not to bait tank, but because they believe it is more efficient in terms of not wasting charges.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-08-21 19:05:17 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Translation of OP: People bleed into armor, not to bait tank, but because they believe it is more efficient in terms of not wasting charges.

thank you for your sacrifice in reading that hyper 16yold text messages thoroughly enough to understand it.

o7 to those braincells lost

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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-08-21 19:09:49 UTC
Maybe they dont have Tactical Shild Manipulation V?
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#18 - 2015-08-21 19:12:26 UTC
HP is HP, regardless of if its in the armor, shield or hull. Letting armor bleed before repping isnt that absurd, especially with ASB tanks. As you want to use those charges as slowly as possible to have the maximum amount of time for reload. I bled some armor in a dual XLASB ferox just to bait the fight longer, and give plenty of time for reload. But mainly for bait tanking. Especially when you know dps on field cant break you.

Now, if someone says its more efficient to do it that way, id say no. Its all just psychology and letting your opponent make mistakes by making them assume your tank is breaking. Then they swoop in ontop of you, at which point, you can murder them.

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-08-21 19:17:11 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Maybe they dont have Tactical Shild Manipulation V?


Is that actually how it works?

I don't have that skill at 5 and I can't remember ever seeing damage bleed into armour at low shield on my own ships.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#20 - 2015-08-21 19:46:50 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Maybe they dont have Tactical Shild Manipulation V?


Is that actually how it works?

I don't have that skill at 5 and I can't remember ever seeing damage bleed into armour at low shield on my own ships.


TSM at 5 means there is 0 chance of damage to bleed into armor until it has gone through all of your shields. It works like this:

TSM 1 = at 20% shield left, damage can bleed into armor.
TSM 2 = at 15% shield left, damage can bleed into armor.
TSM 3 = at 10% shield left, damage can bleed into armor.
TSM 4 = at 5% shield left, damage can bleed into armor.
TSM 5 = damage does not bleed into armor until all shield is gone.
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