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Dear EVE from a trial player

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Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#81 - 2015-08-21 16:02:30 UTC
Trolling in NCQ&A.

That is pretty low.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.

Cyber SGB
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#82 - 2015-08-21 16:30:02 UTC
Trolling or not, it doesn't matter. You should not tell someone in the new player forum to leave the game. Hell, you shouldn't tell someone to leave the game period. You should be ashamed of yourselves for doing so.

You are not superior. You are a person playing a game. Nothing more, nothing less.

Many of you should get warnings from CCP. Three warnings and you should be banned from posting in the new player forum.

Pathetic.

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#83 - 2015-08-21 16:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Cyber SGB wrote:
Trolling or not, it doesn't matter. You should not tell someone in the new player forum to leave the game. Hell, you shouldn't tell someone to leave the game period. You should be ashamed of yourselves for doing so.

You are not superior. You are a person playing a game. Nothing more, nothing less.

Many of you should get warnings from CCP. Three warnings and you should be banned from posting in the new player forum.

Pathetic.

No, it's perfectly fine to point out to a player, especially a new player that this might not be the game for them. If they are expecting a standard MMO PvE experience, it is best that they are told this is a full-time PvP sandbox at the beginning rather than to string them along in a game that is not what they are looking for.

That doesn't make you superior - it's just different strokes for different folks. Some people prefer to knit sweaters in their spare time and some prefer to participate in mixed martial arts fights. Neither is inherently better, but if Granny shows up to your MMA club by mistake, it probably is best to point her to the knitting shop next store than let her get into the ring.
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#84 - 2015-08-21 16:51:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Bellatrix Invicta
Cyber SGB wrote:
Trolling or not, it doesn't matter. You should not tell someone in the new player forum to leave the game. Hell, you shouldn't tell someone to leave the game period. You should be ashamed of yourselves for doing so.

You are not superior. You are a person playing a game. Nothing more, nothing less.

Many of you should get warnings from CCP. Three warnings and you should be banned from posting in the new player forum.

Pathetic.


Calm down, miner. I don't recall telling anyone to leave, nor was anyone in CODE. in here telling OP to leave even though OP is a horrible troll.

And as Black Pedro so eloquently pointed out, it is well within my rights to tell a new player that EvE isn't for them and that they shouldn't play. Get down from your high horse and quit projecting onto other players.

If OP weren't a troll, I would tell him to leave because the experience he is expecting is not the reality of EvE.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.

Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#85 - 2015-08-21 17:54:33 UTC
Twulf wrote:
This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away.

What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off?

To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies


I killed a two week old rookie who was running a data site last week and then tried to open a convo with him. I was going to explain how d-scan works and give him isk worth 2x his loss.

He refused to even accept the convo request, so he got no isk or advice.

Does that make me a bully, or someone trying to help rookies?
Zhutian Xinguang
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2015-08-21 18:34:46 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Cyber SGB wrote:
Trolling or not, it doesn't matter. You should not tell someone in the new player forum to leave the game. Hell, you shouldn't tell someone to leave the game period. You should be ashamed of yourselves for doing so.

You are not superior. You are a person playing a game. Nothing more, nothing less.

Many of you should get warnings from CCP. Three warnings and you should be banned from posting in the new player forum.

Pathetic.

No, it's perfectly fine to point out to a player, especially a new player that this might not be the game for them. If they are expecting a standard MMO PvE experience, it is best that they are told this is a full-time PvP sandbox at the beginning rather than to string them along in a game that is not what they are looking for.

That doesn't make you superior - it's just different strokes for different folks. Some people prefer to knit sweaters in their spare time and some prefer to participate in mixed martial arts fights. Neither is inherently better, but if Granny shows up to your MMA club by mistake, it probably is best to point her to the knitting shop next store than let her get into the ring.


Erm, no. A "full-time PvP" sandbox". That's your version of the game. It is a sandbox though, and as such, can really be played anyway someone wants. People seem to make a habit of forcing their versions on other people and attacking any dissenting opinions. Here in new player forum and also in the Rookie help channel in game.
If people want to stay in high sec and mine or do PvE for the rest of their game lives good for them. The other day I was told to get lost and was trolled in Rookie help for suggesting that high sec Scordite mining was a great source of easy ISK for new players. Which goes against the constantly parroted mantras there like "Career Agents, SOE, Join a Corp, PvP".
There are way too many people in this game and on the forums with elitist attitudes. Welcome to MMOs right? EVE is no different in that respect than any other.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#87 - 2015-08-21 18:51:23 UTC
meh it was already mentioned, and anyway he just posted and bailed. He's probably still clueless to what actually happened. His loss, he should have paid more attention.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Black Pedro
Mine.
#88 - 2015-08-21 18:55:54 UTC
Zhutian Xinguang wrote:

Erm, no. A "full-time PvP" sandbox". That's your version of the game. It is a sandbox though, and as such, can really be played anyway someone wants. People seem to make a habit of forcing their versions on other people and attacking any dissenting opinions. Here in new player forum and also in the Rookie help channel in game.

Um. No. That is CCP's literal description of this game:

CCP wrote:
7 PVP (PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER)
The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment. As has been mentioned in previous sections any player can engage another player at any time in any place.
CCP wrote:
5.3 SOME PLAYER JUST SHOT ME; IS THAT ALLOWED?
In EVE Online, any player may attack any other player if they choose to, no matter where they happen to be. This is because EVE Online is essentially a PvP (Player versus Player) game at its core.
New players should not be lied to about what kind of game this is. You can play this game in many ways, but it is always against the backdrop of a full-on, competitive PvP game. Telling a new player anything else is just setting them up for disappointment in the future.
Desert Frog
Doomheim
#89 - 2015-08-23 11:53:14 UTC
Rookie Systems

Clellinon is not a rookie system.

/thread

Bedouin of the galactic shipping lanes...

قد البراغيث من ألف الجمال تغزو أولئك الذين فريسة على الضفادع

Desert Frog
Doomheim
#90 - 2015-08-23 11:58:54 UTC
Twulf wrote:
What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off?


is it me, or has EVE's demise been trumpeted for years?

Bedouin of the galactic shipping lanes...

قد البراغيث من ألف الجمال تغزو أولئك الذين فريسة على الضفادع

Vila eNorvic
#91 - 2015-08-23 12:15:40 UTC
Desert Frog wrote:
Rookie Systems

Clellinon is not a rookie system.

/thread

Of course it is.

Did you even read the list you linked?
Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2015-08-23 15:43:03 UTC
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Desert Frog wrote:
Rookie Systems

Clellinon is not a rookie system.

/thread

Of course it is.

Did you even read the list you linked?


I can confirm, eve players do not even read.

Clear violation of the rules and people heckle him saying "pvp tho". He's correct, even if the amount of crybaby in his post is off the charts.

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#93 - 2015-08-23 20:18:05 UTC
Johnny Riko wrote:
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Desert Frog wrote:
Rookie Systems

Clellinon is not a rookie system.

/thread

Of course it is.

Did you even read the list you linked?


I can confirm, eve players do not even read.

Clear violation of the rules and people heckle him saying "pvp tho". He's correct, even if the amount of crybaby in his post is off the charts.

Confirming eve players don't read.
As I showed in earlier unread posts, this didn't happen to the OP and in fact didn't happen in Clellinon.
It happened to someone else, he read it in his chat, after ignoring it until he got back to Clellinon. zkillboard doesn't lie.
l2r

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Desert Frog
Doomheim
#94 - 2015-08-24 09:31:36 UTC
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Desert Frog wrote:
Rookie Systems

Clellinon is not a rookie system.

/thread

Of course it is.

Did you even read the list you linked?


I read starter systems - which is Cistuvaert. Didn't get to Career Agents. Oops.

Bedouin of the galactic shipping lanes...

قد البراغيث من ألف الجمال تغزو أولئك الذين فريسة على الضفادع

Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2015-08-24 13:43:59 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Johnny Riko wrote:
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Desert Frog wrote:
Rookie Systems

Clellinon is not a rookie system.

/thread

Of course it is.

Did you even read the list you linked?


I can confirm, eve players do not even read.

Clear violation of the rules and people heckle him saying "pvp tho". He's correct, even if the amount of crybaby in his post is off the charts.

Confirming eve players don't read.
As I showed in earlier unread posts, this didn't happen to the OP and in fact didn't happen in Clellinon.
It happened to someone else, he read it in his chat, after ignoring it until he got back to Clellinon. zkillboard doesn't lie.
l2r


Your brilliant detective skills don't change the fact that for the first 2 pages people were heckling him, when what he claimed had happened is a violation of the rules.

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#96 - 2015-08-24 23:35:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Johnny Riko wrote:
Your brilliant detective skills don't change the fact that for the first 2 pages people were heckling him, when what he claimed had happened is a violation of the rules.
Well at least you read that far into the thread before shiptosting, I don't think the OP even came back after his. Not so brilliant, easy to find and validate, very basic research skills needed, excluding laziness. Some people noticed/felt something was amiss, and so it was.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Monkey Paws
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2015-08-25 11:06:45 UTC
Troll or not...

There are alot of players who want to get into eve, play the trial, enjoy themselves. Until CODE or whatever other ******** gank corp comes and ruins their fun.

You can all say, it's game mechanics, It is a sandbox, yadiyadiyada.. Welcome to eve, HTFU...

Well why even have highsec then? CCP must know they lose lots and lots of potential subscribers because of this and it's in no way fun for anyone, except maybe for the gankers who can flash their e-peen over some bullshit killmail.

If it would be the real world, CONCORD would declare CODE and associates, enemies of the state and shoot em on sight! That is what should happen because they are no better then the pirate factions, they prey on the weak. Put up CONCORD gatecamps in high sec, **** their **** up.

High sec should be safe for noobies, even if it is only 0.8-1.0, atleast it's something. Now they are never safe, if some guy tells you, pay me 10M and I won't shoot you, when you make the full 10M for an entire day of mining, there is no reason to play this game.. I am not talking about myself here, I am talking about the younger generation of gamers who just started playing this game and get shot in the face after just buying their venture or whatever..

You Vets are all of an older generation, you must have already noticed how games changed over the years, games used to be a challenge, all of them, no holding you hand, do this, do that.. Well newer generations aren't like that, they need games to tell them what to do. CCP should not hold their hands but atleast give them SOME SORT OF SAFETY until they get how the world of EVE plays out. When they leave that zone, warn them ANYTHING IS PERMITTED HERE. Give them a spot, where they are safe from gankers or you will never have a new influx of younger players and the game will die a slow death.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#98 - 2015-08-25 11:23:29 UTC
@ paws
Because you want everyone to stop what they are doing and play your way.
The guy this did actually happen to didn't ragequit, he went right back out there.
Not everyone wants to play your way.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Monkey Paws
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2015-08-25 11:33:39 UTC
Webvan wrote:
@ paws
Because you want everyone to stop what they are doing and play your way.
The guy this did actually happen to didn't ragequit, he went right back out there.
Not everyone wants to play your way.



It's not about how I want to play, I don't give a **** about the gankers. I know not to get caught like that, I don't even mine, it's about the game needing to adjust to newer generations or it will die eventually because there will be no influx of new players if the mechanic doesn't change.

When this game started, all games were pretty hardcore in their own way and we were used to it, now all games are casual catered to new generations of gamers, younger people. 15years ago if you had to retry something 20 times because it was hard, you just did it. Now when people fail 3 times they just throw the game away.

I don't want EVE to change the rules in any major way, but it has to go with its time. Therehas to be some kind of safety net for beginners, even if it is only in 0.8-1.0, make those sectors only have crap ores so profits will be superlow. And in that period make tutorials that absolutely let players now that all of that stuff can happen, send them on missions that will destroy their ship, whatever they do. Just so they know, **** happens and they have to be careful
Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2015-08-25 11:37:07 UTC
Webvan wrote:
@ paws
Because you want everyone to stop what they are doing and play your way.
The guy this did actually happen to didn't ragequit, he went right back out there.
Not everyone wants to play your way.



I agree with you, but I think the tutorial should be much more informative in telling new players what they are up against and what to look out for.

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.