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little kid visit his dad, hey dad may i go outside ? sure, but just be carefull son, there are strangers on the street and i'm not always arround.

First LOL.

This is hilarious but valid. Eve online is technically illegal in many USA states because of new anti cyber bully laws.

LOL again.

Said the NPC.

yea funny how in the EULA it does state that you are not allowed to do anything that is against the EULA or any governments laws but yet is still allowed to happen

Rofl.

Thanks, I had a bad day at work and I needed the laugh.

Wait, were you serious?

The Role Playing aspects of this MMORPG need to be reinstated and emphasised at some point during the NPE, and reinforced to existing players. Perhaps via Scope news broadcasts, perhaps at a ground level.

Piracy used to be a legit style of gameplay, now it's just 'griefing' and 'cyberbullying,' which needs to be corrected. Some corrections might come from CCP but the playerbase have also adopted that tear collector mantle rather than the 'yarr' mentality (which was actually quite funny). Ransoming is pretty much dead because people would rather have the QQ and the KM than have some fun with another player willing to engage in it. They should want to engage in it, not be convinced there's no hono(u)r left here.

To be fair, a lot of this has to do with farmers being outraged that their space chariot can be shot, which is also completely daft. Code are doing a good job reminding the highsec zombies that they aren't playing a solo game and there is risk everywhere, but they're being a bit cackhanded about it and this disconnect in perceptions isn't entirely the fault of the people whinging. There aren't that many hono(u)rable space pirates left doing it for a laugh, or even for the ISK. Some of you are literally tear-farming smackmonkeys any normal human would chin IRL.

It's mean spirited. There's no fun for people being ganked by a dozen people who do it fulltime, then gangbanged in local/on forums by dozens of hardened trolls who really do want to wind that person up to an abnormal degree. Fair play if you can encourage them to get a combat ship and fight back, but actually, that'd be suicide (plus more jeering). So put the fun back in.

It's not cyberbullying, but it's not particularly fun gameplay either. Unless you're a knobhead.

Bullying and griefing. Seriously, this is not the place to whine about CODE. There are plenty of other places to do that.

What IS missing from the whole hyped NPE is explaining how rough things can easily get once you undock. Beyond the pat phrasing, Eve is a cold cruel place that yadda yadda blargh, other than in one (maybe two?) career missions that require a ship loss, ganking is glossed over.

Perhaps if that lesson was put in place early and relatively often in that first 30 days, awareness would stand a chance of kicking in and you'd better watch your local, overview, and d-scan. If I wanted a completely safe game to play, I'd be feeding a NeoPet! But we've got to face the technicolor writing on the wall. Many new players are not rough and tumble MMO players, especially in today's special snowflake culture. If they don't grasp ganks happen, is that their fault alone?

Or are the lessons to be learned not even on the table outside those advertisement 15 second blerbs of 'we is adult MMO, no kiddie pool level for yuuu!'

And no, ever-ganking them in 1.0 systems is not the way to teach. That's a good way to make sure we don't keep them around past that 30 days, and there's one less contributor to all of New Eden. No bubble wrapping R00kies, but perhaps a better and longer intro to the daily insanity that is Eve?

>Jeven

Computers have an off button. Games have a log out button. With the ability to remove yourself almost immediately from undesired situations I find the OP's argument null and void.

IRL most states that don't have a "make my day" law but still allow you to defend yourself in your house from an intruder, you had damn well better make sure you leave them an out and that they are for sure threatening your life or the lives of others in your house. If not you're in trouble if you shoot them. Doesn't matter that they're in your house at 3 AM and you've no clue who they are or what they want. With that kind of social thinking I find labeling cyber bullying in a MMORPG sandbox game quite laughable. Although I shouldn't be surprised due to the lack of critical thinking and common sense we see in today's society. Welcome to that club.

Please grow a pair.

Seeing how it keeps being popped up, and I am looking to be more directly involved with CSM, this seems like a good point to start.

The concept of Cyberbullying in Eve? You are correct. It is a problem in eve and the EULA is such that anything that can be deemed bullying is a support ticket petitionable event.

It is important that we differentiate between what is bullying, and what is part of eve gameplay. Lets start with your example of ganking and new player war declarations.

These themselves are not an example of Cyberbullying. Reason is that is is only a part of the gameplay environment. The reason it is so psychologically affecting of players is that people come in with an incorrect mindset. The image presented for Eve Online is much different than what actually exists. Those that come in without prior contact with players are imagining this free flying space game of mining and industry with dreams of seeing these big fights.

The ganking, and survival of the weak is a part of the game. They just aren't in that mental state. Would be like being dropped into a war zone expecting an all inclusive resort. That isn't bullying, just false representation.

Personal attacks, targeted and prolonged harassment, bringing things out of game, that is cyber bullying and has been repeatedly over the years brought up and enforced by CCP.


So the OP actually is a valid concern. It is a psychological effect on a player. New game high, psyched up and if they are an immersive player, it is a psychological shock even though it is a game. People take gaming seriously. So when suddenly this initial image of eve is shattered, they wonder WTF? Even the elites of eve get passionate about it. If you didn't, you wouldn't even care about the forums except for proposed changes.

The issue is mental preparation for what eve actually is. If they know they can get ganked, and it is probable. Then they will not have that shock.

Stress and depression is never logical. Which is why information is important.