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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#261 - 2015-08-20 15:45:54 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Scrub just stop posting. No one here likes you. You are bad at this video game.


You what mate? Big smile
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#262 - 2015-08-20 16:39:11 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Scrub just stop posting. No one here likes you. You are bad at this video game.


You what mate? Big smile


I think he was trying to annotate a Vimsy post and clicked on the wrong one. It could happen to anyone.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#263 - 2015-08-20 19:58:29 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


That kind of humor or the genre of it you cite - laughing at people having accidents for example - is considered to be one of the facets of the fall of western civilization. As has been apparent now for nearly 10 years and parallel to the increasingly lower quality of the people we meet online in MMOs.



Hahahahahaha .... you are the accident!



My that creativity and wit of yours has brought me low.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#264 - 2015-08-21 04:27:01 UTC
Killboards?

KB stats mean nothing.

NOTHING.

If you need proof, get on Chribba's bad side.

Actually make him angry.

Go on, I dare you.

I DOUBLE HAMSTER DARE YOU.

*gets more popcorn*

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#265 - 2015-08-21 13:18:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mobadder Thworst
You guys keep saying killboards mean nothing.

I disagree. They have an impact and they're full of information.

Part of the reason I have so many corps in my corp history is because nobody wanted to fight once I had a good killboard. Thus, once someone docked up because our killboard was intimidating, I would close the corp.

The killboard impacted me.


If you are baiting and you see that your target has a battleclinic rank better than 10k, he won't be likely to make mistakes. The fewer kills he has, typically the more perfect his maneuver will be( fewer kills means higher average points per kill... Means he is winning in riskier scenarios).

If his average points per kill is too high, expect logi.

A guy with 15,000 kills and 100 losses who has a rank of 15,000 or worse is typically a pure fleet player and I would expect his fit to be doctrinal (typically buffer fit with high dps, usually the "default" fit). These guys fit a profile that makes them relatively safe to fight if you make those assumptions and account for them. I never expect creativity from this player.

The fact that battleclinic takes and gives points evenly for kills as a basis of the risk involved makes it a relevant ranking system in my eyes. Yes, there are lots of flaws in this metric, but I think taken in general it allows me to discern likelihood of maneuver skill, fitting preferences, and tactics.

Those things are relevant in my chosen play style.

Now, here is where I agree with you:

Kill to death ratio and pretty much everything else measured are meaningless. I can't think of a number off any of the other killboards that means anything to me.

I get laughed at for using battleclinic (especially after that atrocious update), but I still think it's the only killboard out there with relevant information.


I also like that the battleclinic point system encourages guys who are playing the killboard to take risk. You get a lot of points for killing a cruiser or battlecruiser with a t1 frigate... It makes them ask the question "how can I pull this off?"

I think that drives pvp players to increase their skill and provide their targets with a more sporting engagement (one the target has a chance of winning).
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#266 - 2015-08-21 14:42:38 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:


A guy with 15,000 kills and 100 losses who has a rank of 15,000 or worse is typically a pure fleet player and I would expect his fit to be doctrinal (typically buffer fit with high dps, usually the "default" fit). These guys fit a profile that makes them relatively safe to fight if you make those assumptions and account for them. I never expect creativity from this player.


That is quite a large and sweeping stereotype, and I will protest its validity. Not only do I think this logic will only, EVER, work in highsec, I rarely if ever check someones killboard before I fight them. I consider this to the purest form of risk aversion. If you are playing the game to bait people, I guess that works. No issues with that, if thats your thing.

Yes, I absolutely fly doctrine ships IN FLEET OPERATIONS.

Otherwise, I fly what I want.

So, if you looked at the first few pages of my killboard (which can fill up with a single fight if the numbers happen), youll see a pure F1 monkey. Im pretty sure you know otherwise. So yeah, the killboard tells you nothing about my ability.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#267 - 2015-08-21 14:51:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mobadder Thworst
Leto Thule wrote:
Mobadder Thworst wrote:


A guy with 15,000 kills and 100 losses who has a rank of 15,000 or worse is typically a pure fleet player and I would expect his fit to be doctrinal (typically buffer fit with high dps, usually the "default" fit). These guys fit a profile that makes them relatively safe to fight if you make those assumptions and account for them. I never expect creativity from this player.


That is quite a large and sweeping stereotype, and I will protest its validity. Not only do I think this logic will only, EVER, work in highsec, I rarely if ever check someones killboard before I fight them. I consider this to the purest form of risk aversion. If you are playing the game to bait people, I guess that works. No issues with that, if thats your thing.

Yes, I absolutely fly doctrine ships IN FLEET OPERATIONS.

Otherwise, I fly what I want.

So, if you looked at the first few pages of my killboard (which can fill up with a single fight if the numbers happen), youll see a pure F1 monkey. Im pretty sure you know otherwise. So yeah, the killboard tells you nothing about my ability.



It isn't always right but it's a good guess. You will notice that a poor BC rank is part of the stereotype, not just the k/d ratio. That poor rank is only achievable in this scenario by having an extremely small % of small team and solo kills. I find that pattern is consistent with a lack of knowledge of mechanics. Right or wrong, that's my observation.

Your skill set is not in question from me and you know that.

I generally only check if I'm about to fight your cruiser in my Merlin and I want to make sure I'll at least have a chance. High sec baiters often try to create the illusion of weakness and ineptitude. This is one of the ways I use to see through it. Yes, it is a way of managing risk... But I'm not sure that my actions or killboard reflect "risk aversion." Losing ships isn't a big deal to me and my k/d ratio is probably one of the poorest of the senior pvp'ers on the forums.

These are generalizations that I use to make that "can I try something stupid with this guy" decision. I think it's sporting to try to kill large ships with small ships. You will notice that I've got a "Mighty Mouse" title on BC for killing cruisers with t1 frigs. If you are going to try this with old players, it's a good idea to investigate.

Yes, this kind of decision making is mostly for baiters like me. If you are thinking of shooting a baiter, this is a very relevant thing to check (especially in a hub).

No, it's not relevant in fleet fights or many low sec actions. I agree

Take it for what it is. I'm still crying about can-flipping and this is relevant for people like me.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#268 - 2015-08-21 19:33:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Prove it.



Nevermind the hilarious irony of you, who is more than willing to believe the story in the OP without evidence or proof, just because it's against someone you hate...

But prove what? That anti ganking are a bunch of toxic hate-mongers? That's easy to find out for yourself. Roll up an alt, gank a few retrievers so it shows up on the alt's killboard, then go into their channel and talk about how ganking can be avoided easily with only a few steps. List these steps. Talk about gankers are players too, not some demons wearing human skin.

But by talking about ganking in anything other than a "it should not exist" light, you will either have sexual and/or racist insults slung your way, be told to kill yourself in real life, have a family member threatened, banned from the channel, or more than likely some combination of the above.



Real irony is that you boast about death threats and people doxxing you (you claim attacks on your house so I assume getting an address on someone qualifies as a dox) while being a very toxic person yourself, and failing to see the pattern. I've been playing online games since the 90s and never had that happen.

And in failing to notice that pattern around you, you continue to blame everybody else, which is the punch line to your story.

I monitor the anti-ganking channels and have never seen what you claim. The only time it happens is when someone comes in and starts posting the exact same crazy stuff as everybody else who lasts for a little less than a hour and then gets kicked. While you and yours might think you are superior to use pubbies, we do muster enough awareness to see when someone is spewing talking points. So the level of threats and lunacy you claim puts the burden of proof squarely on you.

There is another pattern of occurrence lent to your life by your toxicity, but you would take it as an offense if I brought it up. So I'll just leave things as they are and hope you become aware enough to see if yourself and see the light.


Oh..I see...so you're saying because she was wearing a short skirt..that she deserved it right? I think you need to check your logic and stop making excuses. Think about it...Roll

Further more...saying you havebeen gaming online since the 90's does not help reinforce the validity of your statements..in fact, it does the opposite. No offense to any long-time gamers...but if you've been gaming for that long, what that tells me is you have social issues..and have no place passing social judgements on other people. I suggest getting off the computer and stepping out into the real world..15+ years of time wasting on games will take a toll. Intereact with some people..and make your judgements on what they REALLY are. It's so easy to pass judgement on what you don't understand.

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#269 - 2015-08-21 20:10:11 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Mobadder Thworst wrote:


A guy with 15,000 kills and 100 losses who has a rank of 15,000 or worse is typically a pure fleet player and I would expect his fit to be doctrinal (typically buffer fit with high dps, usually the "default" fit). These guys fit a profile that makes them relatively safe to fight if you make those assumptions and account for them. I never expect creativity from this player.


That is quite a large and sweeping stereotype, and I will protest its validity. Not only do I think this logic will only, EVER, work in highsec, I rarely if ever check someones killboard before I fight them. I consider this to the purest form of risk aversion. If you are playing the game to bait people, I guess that works. No issues with that, if thats your thing.

Yes, I absolutely fly doctrine ships IN FLEET OPERATIONS.

Otherwise, I fly what I want.

So, if you looked at the first few pages of my killboard (which can fill up with a single fight if the numbers happen), youll see a pure F1 monkey. Im pretty sure you know otherwise. So yeah, the killboard tells you nothing about my ability.




But getting intel on someone and making calculations is part of the fun. It's like a Chess move but you can do all that "homework" without even logging on. Of course in spontaneous encounters it's not so useful.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#270 - 2015-08-21 20:37:50 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:


Your skill set is not in question from me and you know that.


Brother, im terrible at this game. I was just making a generalization regading killboard analysis.

Mobadder Thworst wrote:
You will notice that I've got a "Mighty Mouse" title on BC for killing cruisers with t1 frigs. If you are going to try this with old players, it's a good idea to investigate.


Haha! Thats pretty cool actually. I didnt know it gave out tags. Id almost try BC out if there are more.

I dont mean to say that I dislike killboards, I think they are fun for personal amusement, I just really hate it when people try to encompass your entire EVE career into a line of stats.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#271 - 2015-08-21 22:31:25 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Mobadder Thworst wrote:


Your skill set is not in question from me and you know that.


Brother, im terrible at this game. I was just making a generalization regading killboard analysis.

Mobadder Thworst wrote:
You will notice that I've got a "Mighty Mouse" title on BC for killing cruisers with t1 frigs. If you are going to try this with old players, it's a good idea to investigate.


Haha! Thats pretty cool actually. I didnt know it gave out tags. Id almost try BC out if there are more.

I dont mean to say that I dislike killboards, I think they are fun for personal amusement, I just really hate it when people try to encompass your entire EVE career into a line of stats.

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Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#272 - 2015-08-21 23:14:32 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Mobadder Thworst wrote:


Your skill set is not in question from me and you know that.


Brother, im terrible at this game. I was just making a generalization regading killboard analysis.

Mobadder Thworst wrote:
You will notice that I've got a "Mighty Mouse" title on BC for killing cruisers with t1 frigs. If you are going to try this with old players, it's a good idea to investigate.


Haha! Thats pretty cool actually. I didnt know it gave out tags. Id almost try BC out if there are more.

I dont mean to say that I dislike killboards, I think they are fun for personal amusement, I just really hate it when people try to encompass your entire EVE career into a line of stats.


Yeah, they've got more of those tags. That's the only one for upwards kills (or was last I checked).

I still think BC is the best KB, but I think everyone else hates it.

I agree on killboards, they're not all encompassing.

I think they sometimes make players risk averse... Which is their greatest flaw.
Kavoro Pel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#273 - 2015-08-22 00:39:55 UTC
Here I am, thinking KB's are merely one of many tools checked after the fight.. Like, when you check someone's KB, that someone jumps a gate and gets away Twisted
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#274 - 2015-08-22 01:09:17 UTC
KBs are reminiscent of "racing for pinks", a term for road racing. Any "Fast & Furious" fans would know. I had involvement in that kind of car culture in the 1980s.

Back then, for someone to look at what you had under the hood, they had to pay you. Yep. If you asked these guys what they had, you have to fork over a couple hundred bucks. That information, seeing if they had nitro, or a blower, what kind of intake manifold (they can affect at what RPM the torque kicks in) even the kind of headers, and all that stuff - could harm them. Someone could set up another car and beat them with that information alone.

(Note: the people doing this were in the car business and always had a rotation of cars they won and lost between each other, so nobody was taking the bus for losing)

If you really wanted to see what they had, you had to beat them in a race and take their car. Then you know exactly what they had.

A KB is kind of like that. You kill a ship, you see how it's fit. Had a hard time killing it? Why?

It's that simple. It's for the competition. Yes, blindly harvesting kills is dumb but the guys who go for real challenges can make great use of them.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#275 - 2015-08-22 03:16:54 UTC
Kavoro Pel wrote:
Here I am, thinking KB's are merely one of many tools checked after the fight.. Like, when you check someone's KB, that someone jumps a gate and gets away Twisted


In high sec, baiting usually gives you more time before the fight...

In truth, most of the baiting community faded away after the new crimewatch was introduced.

Most of what I'm saying used to be more valid than it probably is now... cCP washed most of that playstyle out.

The lack of a way to control how many people can engage you makes the already "touch-and-go" activity of trying to ship down to the smallest possible ship extremely risky.

Duels allow for protections otherwise unavailable, but it's so formal and consentual that it doesn't have the same development... It's just not the psychological game that baiting can be.