Wormholes

Regarding the personal hangar security issue mentioned in the chat, proposed solution was that members could tick a box saying "im ok with directors having access to my personal hangar." Imho this should rather be like the current friendly fire option for corps, so the box gets ticked by the CEO and has a timer. So it is "if you join this corp, directors will have access to your personal hangar in citadels."

The trashing could be another box, per citadel, ie. "this citadel does not allow trashing" etc.

/me waves

Thank you !

I just listened this and am glad Corbexx limited numbers somewhat, it made for easy listening with less neckbeards talking over each other with stupid questions that have been answered many times.

I liked hearing that loveable brits (Ilaister) helpful voice and Noobman had some very good discussion points that got discussed.

All in all it was a good that CCP Nullabor seemed very willing to listen to our needs. This wasn't my experience with discussions with him previously so i just hope his understanding in this sounding board translates into a much wiser devblog or two coming soon.

I found one point odd that people were so happy to still allow people continuing access to their ships/stuff going forward even if it was directors. How many times have corps been just ruined from "rouge" directors/spais....

stockholm syndrome

^ Nah doing it like that would make it sov-like, as apposed to what was suggested. Making it so any douch with an entosis could mess with people wouldn't fit with wormhole gameplay IMO.

Also these structures shouldn't be at a pos, so there would be no guns to defend it. If you are not online or do not fight to stop it from being destroyed, someone can put a citadel in your system, just like they can now.

Nothing like sov. It's just the equivalent of putting a POS up at every moon.

I've proposed something not not quite as evil, but basically a rig that would remove your structure from the scan overlay so it would have to be combat scanned down. With good placement it would be very easy to not notice, but actually cloaking might be a bit too evil.

Two questions about mooring. Will it be possible to use D-scan, probes and/or cloak when moored? Will it be possible to undock to a mooring?

Corbex, Sugar K, CCP Nullabor

For the most part the meeting sounded like it went well. Nice moderation job Sugar.

I am surprised and a bit disappointed that there was not a more diverse group of interests represented. With some notable exceptions there seemed to be a disproportionate interest in turning WHs into a loot pinata heaven.

The folks that did push that point of view did a good job at advancing their meta.

Sadly, I could not be there for the meeting but I have put together some additional considerations for you.

1.) The full loot drop, "safety off" feature is a huge mistake. There are some pretty serious unintended consequences with that idea.

No matter how you slice it, the full loot drop makes most of the market and industrial mods associated with citadels worthless in WH space. You will only do what industry you must do. Everything else will get shipped back to HS asap.

As an example, ask your industry friends how much stuff they need to push through the manufacturing arrays on a large tower at a 10% margin to break even. Then ask them what they need to make a good profit. I think folks that do not do industry will be a little surprised at that math and what kind of commitment in resources it takes to run a full up industrial effort in or out of WH space. Add the risk of catastrophic loss of everything makes station indexes in HS a laughable inconvenience.

2.) The podded when docked idea?? Are you serious--who is fine with that in WH space? The super groups? Certainly not the smaller corporations. Ejected into space in my pod? No thanks on that either. These are an inconvenience in K space--it can be catastrophic in W Space. This is an awful idea.

There are other possible consequences as well, some pretty severe.

Within my group of WH peeps we have been discussing the citadel ideas presented.
While we hated the initial idea of the 10% loss or fine idea that was proposed, our group agreed that we would probably still do some industry and have a small internal exchange market in our WH.

With a full loot drop model... neither will happen.

The work arounds we have been exploring below are all variations on a theme: Log it off. For months if you must.

We already have a name for this mitigation theme for use with citadels.
We will call it Winnebago/Caravan ops. If it does not fit in your Winnebago/Caravan, you do not get to keep it in the WH.
Nothing actually gets stored in the Citadel.
Carrier/Orca/Rorqual/Bowhead, Freighter/Orca all serve as good Winnebago/Caravan combinations.

My CEO has also told us to expect that there will be a corp fine for logging off while docked in a Citadel. Except in the case of a quick DC, logging off while docked will be discouraged.

Most activity will actually get done while just outside the structure and it will just function as a landmark and a safe area etc to move freighters, ships and inventories around.

We will still seed a few of the smallest structures in the system with alts in transports to carry them.

Of course you will need scanning and entosis alts.

In any case, we are all looking forward to launching our first Citadel! Any expected release date info?