Ships & Modules

+1 for a buff to tec2 plates.

Tps are the same... the Meta lvl 4 PWNGE painter is better then the t2 in just about every way.

Make meta plates more rare is also a solution but it'ld be nice if all T2 would be plain better (except for fitting and/or cap use)

While you're at it, introduce 3200mm and 6400mm plates.

Buff faction guns too.

Now this I can approve of. Reduced mass addition? Of course it would have to be minimum 7.5% per level to beat RRT at 5, but whatever.

Last I checked, they are easier to fit and that's all.

rolled tungsten plates are easier to fit and have less added mass. Same armor.

So, tech 2 are WORSE in every way.

Not the same. Meta 4s cost significantly more.

For armor plates, there is literally 0 reason to use T2 over meta 4.

EDIT: Hit the wrong quote or something lol. I thought I was quoting TPs.

ECM is similar, TPs are fine as is imo. T2 ECM modules need a buff (and I know 90% of people here will despise me for saying that).

Reality check guys. There's uck fall chance of making T2 armour plates have more armour than their metalevel equivalents because it would just make armour buffer fits that much more ridiculous than they already can be (eg, 750K EHP Proteus or Legion is already dumb enough).

I would say the only hope you've got is a reduced mass or velocity penalty from T2 plates. Which would make buffer armour ships more maneuverable and stop all the mongfaces whining constantly about "bawww winmatar are too OP" and crap like that. Basically, if your T2 plate lets you go a smidge faster than fitting T1, people will go wild over them for ships like the Deimos, Harby, etc. Plus, bonus of bonuses, this wouldn't unbalance the game as much as making ships even more tougher.

It is clear CCP is concerned with making their module stats at least make sense (eg; the rebalancing of faction and T2 probe launhers, gang links, etc). So it is an anomaly that a lot of T2 modules actually suck compared to the meta-4 variants. There's no sensible reason for this aside from CCP not having the time or carefactor to fix these anomalies.

thye'd have to be open minded to see why. Main thing about named gear to make t2 gear even better to increase sales a good idea is it would make people pay more for thier jam rides.

For me, good named ecm mods drop often from rats. Throw in some rt plate drops, named prop mod and if you mix your pve and pvp just right and the loot table gods like you, half if not more of a jam ship fit is "free" mod wise. Which is real funky with the ecm mods, a scorp can be like 6 of them easy. talking full rainbow and 2 mutli's as a catch all. "Free" mods in that you didn't pay for em, less cap need and easier fitting...win win win for the person who takes the few extra seconds to hit every rat wreck.

Better t2 to make them worth buying and when you kill a jammer, you'd actually have them lose money in the jam mods. As is now, hell if I stil pvp'd and I died I got full sets of named rainbow from loot drops I can't be bothered to sell at hubs since I don't wan't to rebuy them when rl schedule lets me get bo back to pvp. Not mssing the isk from sales I ain't making now...sure as hell won't be missing if/when when blown up lol.

Lets throw in all meta levels of plates. The RTPs are so good there is literally no reason to fit any other meta or T2. The lower Tiers that give less armor should have some other redeeming quality. Right now, they dont. The whole lineup needs looking at.