Crime & Punishment

No, I don't use it as a one-stop source of intel already, I merely stated that more than anything else, killboards demonstrate, or indicate, activity and experience, which in my opinion, is more valuable intel than ability, because ability can be circumvented with strategy. I chose my words very carefully, and in no way did I stipulate that a killboard is the be-all end-all source of information on a player/corp/alliance. It is, however, a good place to start. Much like how one starts their research for a university paper on Wikipedia, but ends with a page-long list of other sources when the paper is handed in.

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Austneal was new and had yet to prove his capabilities to people who he'd never flown with, and was also largely inactive

Austneal was not invited, he applied, and was, by default, on probation

Austneal chose to do something that was particularly high-risk with no real benefit to the alliance at large

Austneal joined a war corp, NOT a ganking corp - this is an important one to remember, because there are different requirements for each

And finally, there isn't a corp or alliance that wouldn't have reacted the same way

The losses don't matter. The incompetence does. That's the bottom line, and there's nothing in that bottom line that even suggests that losing something 'juicy' had anything to do with it. You're inserting that fiction all on your own.

Scrub just stop posting. No one here likes you. You are bad at this video game.

Meh. Sue us in the court of C&P if you like.

No one here likes you.

Because they like to sound sensible every once in a while, to win the general "risky eve is ok" crowd (into which I fall too, btw) while trying to antagonize that same crowd against folks who oppose them in any way.

However, see how that Pedro dude twists my words to switch topic from code to general ganking population? That is why I've blocked the guy on forums and won't discuss stuff with him. He's not after good discussion, he's after spinning words into narratives suiting him. I can't be bothered with that, I don't like when folks claim that I said things I never did and then expect me to waste posts on proving them wrong when they refuse to be proven so (as this thread has nicely demonstrated).

That is one of the reasons I (and many others) are against code as an organisation - not because they are good at ganking, but because of their attitude towards the folks they gank and those who try to oppose them. I have been in this game for several years now in various environments, and never have I encountered such a negative, toxic group, not once. On the other hand, the events that kicked this thread into existence show that Coder's are more or less as we all are - fallible humans. Sadly, they lack the courage to admit that (at least to the wider eve community). So, you see - no one needs to try demonising CODE, they are doing more then a decent job themselves.

Again, if they were what they claim to be, this thread would have never happened in the first place. Remember that one next time you agree with Code guys on something.

Killboards mean nothing. I don't know why people use it to measure their E-peens. There's the Nullsec F1-monkeys with 10k kills but die in a horrible ball of fire when it comes down to a 1v1.

Kill boards are meaningless.

Edit:

Allow me to elaborate.

Killboards only provide a VERY small glimpse into the total "ability" of an EVE player. This isnt a game like COD where you simply go 15-0 and win the round. There are SO MANY avenues in EVE that allow for victory or defeat, and most of them are defined by the player. As was already pointed out, nullsec killboards (such as mine) are very short scoped in terms of pilot ability. Thats because in huge fleet fights, your job is to follow the instructions of the FC.

But it doesnt stop there. How about some examples? Lets look at my killboard. https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/

Meh. Its green. It says im 90% effective. But most of my recent kills are fleet fights. Does that mean im good? Does it mean I can follow instructions? Or does it simply mean I am not a complete moron? If you were to rate my skill based on the first few pages, what would you think? Some would say I am epic. Others will say F1 monkey. But its not about that. Its about how much fun you, yourself, have while paying CCP your duckets. Origin. has easily been the best corp I have been with. F1 monkey may I be, its a blast, and simply staggering to see some of the FC's and how they KNOW the game. How they do DPS calculations in their head, on the fly. How they prioritize targets. Ranges. Ammo. ****, I never even USED any other shot than CNAM or T2 before BL.

Do i know how to fly and exploit mechanics? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?eid=34049420 -- (Meaningless to most of you, but a personal victory against a damn good pilot)

Or maybe just get plain lucky and guess someones warp in: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?eid=42996854

The point is that there are different forms of PVP. You cant compare PVP in 0.0 to PVP in Highsec because its NOT THE SAME THING. Killboards dont rate that. In a wormhole, you have to FIND your targets, and are limited by mass, an ever changing map, and the only real place where your assets are NEVER secure. Try as I may, I dont see that on killboards.

I have said it in other threads: kills dont make the player. Mining is PVP. Market play is PVP. People who build ships dont have that stat show up... neither do exploration sites completed or thefts conducted. Intel gathered. Wormholes scanned and chains scouted. Yes, thats meaningless to quite a large base of us, but for some people, one of the above may be where they shine. What is more useful... another killmail whore in your fleet... or the guy who knows how to scout? How to DSCAN correctly so his combat probes hit on the first shot, and the target doesnt have time to GTFO. Or maybe the guy who has a JF. You know, bringing you your pixels? Where are his stats?

In closing, they are all equally important, and they all make contributions you cannot ignore, and in some cases, cannot play without.

/soapbox