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Command Ships vs T3 Cruisers
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Jedi Fruitsnacks
The BrightStar Research Corporation
#1 - 2015-08-18 23:18:38 UTC
I'm currently training to use Logistics and Ewar, I always love playing a support role in games and after reading about command ships, I felt they'd be my next step. However, after reading a bit about them online, it seems people often compare them to T3 Cruisers for efficiency.

Would a a T3 currently be preferable over a Command Ship?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-08-19 02:09:06 UTC
T3s get a 2% per level bonus to 3 different link types, where command ships get a 3% bonus to 2 different link types but can use 3 links at a time with no additional modules.

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Jedi Fruitsnacks
The BrightStar Research Corporation
#3 - 2015-08-19 02:11:49 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
T3s get a 2% per level bonus to 3 different link types, where command ships get a 3% bonus to 2 different link types but can use 3 links at a time with no additional modules.


So Command sacrifices a bit of versatility for a 5% efficiency? 5% might not be much, then again 5% might be the difference between a loss and a victory. Still a tough choice..
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2015-08-19 04:17:30 UTC
t3s are nice because you can fit them to be bubble immune, fit a covs ops cloak, a probe launcher, and 5 links. Drop the probe launcher and you can fit for way more sensor strength making your link ship much harder to probe down. Given the link ship has no combat capabilities not having it running around is a good thing. The longer it takes them to probe you the better, if they have low skills or don't have a dedicated prober they might not even be able to get a hit on you. Or you can drop to 4 links you can get way more utility out of the thing.

if you know you are going to be sitting in the same area most of the time you can easily have a command ship ready in system to give boosts.

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#5 - 2015-08-19 05:53:50 UTC
Jedi Fruitsnacks wrote:
I'm currently training to use Logistics and Ewar, I always love playing a support role in games and after reading about command ships, I felt they'd be my next step. However, after reading a bit about them online, it seems people often compare them to T3 Cruisers for efficiency.

Would a a T3 currently be preferable over a Command Ship?


T3 command links are popular because they are used on alts. A T3 ship is able to be cloaky and nullified so you can control it with ease on an alt account as well as keep it out of harms way.

However a T3 link ship has absolutely no defense or combat ability. This is why a Command Ship will be more suited to you if you intend to fly links on your main character. The command ships can provide on grid links while sporting decent defensive abilities.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-08-19 07:26:34 UTC
Since T3 are faster to train into you just go to them first and while you have fun flying those stick your training schedule into CS or by this time you would understand that it's not worth of your time.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2015-08-19 11:07:30 UTC
Imo they both have their uses, t3's can make for good boosting, scanning and cloaking and in the case of the proteus are actually fairly quick so make exemplary boosters for small gang roams and scouts.
In high sec a t3 booster fit like this on a neutral alt has a metric **** ton of utility.

Command ships give better boosts (if fit purely for boosting) can defend themselves fairly well (when partially fit for boosting) and are flat out beasts in combat when fit accordingly.
Here's a fantastic command ship clip from Mr Hyde if you haven't seen it yet https://youtu.be/DyFB03FMc7g

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Riven Varlass
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-08-19 11:21:17 UTC
Most fleets fly with Command links on an alt. If you truly want to play support, go for Logistics, Recons and Electronic attack frigates

Remote reps, long range webs, damps, point, and ecm is the way to go for support.

Ships such as Lachesis, Huginn, Keres, Hyena, Griffin, Falcon, Basilisk, Guardian, Oneiros, and Scimitar spring to mind.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2015-08-19 11:30:05 UTC
Imo both are worth the training, do the t3 thing until you have the command ship option and then you have more versatile options on what you can fly, both make excellent combat ships So even when you're not boosting you can still use them.

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#10 - 2015-08-19 11:43:32 UTC
T3s are much easier (faster) to skill in to.

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-08-19 12:07:20 UTC
T3's are a dime a dozen... everyone and their alts has one and are therefor boring and hipster ships.

Command ships are a little less so.

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Plexian
Black Logistics Inc.
#12 - 2015-08-19 12:24:45 UTC
You want both. Commandshipa can have more links on it (up to 7) but t3 cruisers are way easier and safer to roam around in, but with fewer linka running. 4 or 5 usually.
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#13 - 2015-08-19 13:13:46 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
T3's are a dime a dozen... everyone and their alts has one and are therefor boring and hipster ships

I used to use hipster as a disparaging term but had to stop when it became too mainstream.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Levin Crack
#14 - 2015-08-19 13:19:49 UTC
If you want a CS to do both some combat and boost, is t3 or cs prefered?
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-08-19 13:25:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Eli Apol wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
T3's are a dime a dozen... everyone and their alts has one and are therefor boring and hipster ships

I used to use hipster as a disparaging term but had to stop when it became too mainstream.


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Levin Crack wrote:
If you want a CS to do both some combat and boost, is t3 or cs prefered?


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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-08-20 20:07:16 UTC
Levin Crack wrote:
If you want a CS to do both some combat and boost, is t3 or cs prefered?

Command ships,
booster t3's are squishy and not exactly insignificant losses,
neither are command ships granted but you're substantially less likely to lose one.

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Valkin Mordirc
#17 - 2015-08-20 21:49:48 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Levin Crack wrote:
If you want a CS to do both some combat and boost, is t3 or cs prefered?

Command ships,
booster t3's are squishy and not exactly insignificant losses,
neither are command ships granted but you're substantially less likely to lose one.



As a reference a 5 link Legion with cloak and probe gets about 12k EHP, and can't even fit a prop mod.


Were as a 5 link CS gets around 35. I think, It's more than double and can still fit a MWD. =P
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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-08-21 07:22:29 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Levin Crack wrote:
If you want a CS to do both some combat and boost, is t3 or cs prefered?

Command ships,
booster t3's are squishy and not exactly insignificant losses,
neither are command ships granted but you're substantially less likely to lose one.



As a reference a 5 link Legion with cloak and probe gets about 12k EHP, and can't even fit a prop mod.


Were as a 5 link CS gets around 35. I think, It's more than double and can still fit a MWD. =P


Dude... a damnation gets 39k EHP stock.... If you drop down to 4 Links it can easilly get past 200k ehp

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