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How to fix EVE Online!

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Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works
#1 - 2015-08-19 06:55:15 UTC
OK CCP, here's my 2 pennies on things.

We have a lot of ganking going on in highsec by alts from nullsec who are crying about nullsec sucking because of the new SOV.

Most of the people who are crying about the SOV are so filthy rich from the things they do in nullsec - while crying about unsubbing because the new SOV is aids - that they gank in highsec - trolling - and yet cannot for the life of them handle being on the receiving end of this with the Mighty Trollceptor!

CCP, the PCU has been going down and the people who are unsubbing are not paying you with actual money. People are rage quitting after playing for 3 months because getting ganked in highsec and losing everything you've worked so hard for in game or with PLEX is gone...

Solution:

REMOVE PLEX FROM THE GAME. Convert all current PLEX in game into Aurum for skins etc. You will most certainly see the PCU go down from this as all the nullsec krabs quit because EVE isn't "free" anymore. A lot of idiot newbs who bling out their ships that get ganked and never come back will stop being able to do that. A lot if not all of the multiboxers will not maintain 30 accounts if they have to pay $15.00 per account per month.

There are a lot of people in the game who work hard, make their ISK, and see all of this stuff going on that is making people not want to play EVE... I would attribute a lot of lost player retention because of the dumbfuckery that is current going on in highsec between the trade hubs.

Some 3 month old newb who loses a freighter with everything they own is likely NOT going to come back to the game after that. If I was a newb in this day and age, I wouldn't. Being told to "Buy a Permit" from some smarmy assclown who claims they're only role playing, but it's basically trolling to the point of ruining the experience for newer players in highsec.

So, remove PLEX from the game, convert all current in game PLEX to Aurum, and do something about fixing some highsec since you're trying to make things better all around.

I would practically guarantee you would see your company's income go up from people who actually give a damn about this game, love this game, and are sitting on the sidelines with popcorn would be a lot happier. CCP makes more money, it removes non $$$ paying players and alts from the chain who are ultimately hurting your bottom line.

CCPls. REMOVE PLEX FROM EVE ONLINE. Go back to PAY TO PLAY.

xoxo,

CQ

::popcorn::
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-08-19 07:13:24 UTC
Carribean Queen wrote:
REMOVE PLEX FROM EVE ONLINE. Go back to PAY TO PLAY.

this statement is redundant
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-08-19 07:14:01 UTC
Remove Plex from the game, are you out of your friggin mind. Try posting again when you're sober!
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#4 - 2015-08-19 07:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyalnara
Carribean Queen wrote:
TLDR: i got ganked, i'm butthurt, remove ganking, remove paying for alt account through plex because i suppose it will hurt nullsecers more than everybody else but i don't know for sure because i'm a ignorant twerp.


Also, i'm a lowsec player only, and i know removing plexes would hurt a lot of PvPers. Why? Because some of us have better OOG income than IG income, and we prefer working for a few hours and pay a plex, than farm a few hours for ISKs. Because it's more efficient, and Eve is all about efficiency. Removing plex would remove a lot of PvP from this game, and i do not support this.

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.

Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works
#5 - 2015-08-19 07:19:38 UTC
Nyalnara wrote:
Carribean Queen wrote:
TLDR: i got ganked, i'm butthurt, remove ganking, remove paying for alt account through plex because i suppose it will hurt nullsecers more than everybody else but i don't know for sure because i'm a ignorant twerp.



You keep on plexin' your account cupcake. I pay my $15.00 a month per account for 3 accounts. That money goes into CCP's bank.

But your ignorance and my lossboard shows no such thing.

Remove PLEX, you remove a whole lot of problems CCP introduced with it.
Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works
#6 - 2015-08-19 07:28:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Carribean Queen
Nyalnara wrote:
Carribean Queen wrote:
TLDR: i got ganked, i'm butthurt, remove ganking, remove paying for alt account through plex because i suppose it will hurt nullsecers more than everybody else but i don't know for sure because i'm a ignorant twerp.


Also, i'm a lowsec player only, and i know removing plexes would hurt a lot of PvPers. Why? Because some of us have better OOG income than IG income, and we prefer working for a few hours and pay a plex, than farm a few hours for ISKs. Because it's more efficient, and Eve is all about efficiency. Removing plex would remove a lot of PvP from this game, and i do not support this.


So by this alone you're subscribing to the theory of golden ammo. You "BUY" plex and turn it into content while a lot of people out there are having their content removed by PLEX subbing nullsec krabs creating dozens of alts from destroying others PLEX purchases.

PLEX is the 'golden ammo'.
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#7 - 2015-08-19 07:37:16 UTC
Carribean Queen wrote:
destroying others PLEX purchases
Are you serious when saying that? Because there are still craploads of plexes at jita market.
Also, no one is destroying someone else possibility to buy by removing ONE item from the avalaible pool. The fact that certain persons (you?) cannot afford to plex their account just mean that those people are playing it wrong. No one is entitled to plex their account. (You look like you played Wow too much, btw. Entitled... Yuck.) Either do what you need to generate enough ISKs to plex it, or stop complaining.

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-08-19 07:55:30 UTC
How about the ability to extend account playing time by fixed ammont of ISK? We have $15 per month, so why not just have similar in terms of in game currency without need of buying PLEX.

Roll

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works
#9 - 2015-08-19 07:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Carribean Queen
Nyalnara wrote:
Carribean Queen wrote:
destroying others PLEX purchases
Are you serious when saying that? Because there are still craploads of plexes at jita market.
Also, no one is destroying someone else possibility to buy by removing ONE item from the avalaible pool. The fact that certain persons (you?) cannot afford to plex their account just mean that those people are playing it wrong. No one is entitled to plex their account. (You look like you played Wow too much, btw. Entitled... Yuck.) Either do what you need to generate enough ISKs to plex it, or stop complaining.


You need to train up reading comprehension to at least 3 or 4.

DID YOU NOT READ, that I pay $45.00 to CCP Games every month? Why should I PLEX? PLEX are being used in game by largely rich people who do very little in the game, other than keep their accounts up, and for creating NEW accounts that are used to destroy "FOR EXAMPLE: 3 month old newb spends $100.00 on PLEX, which is destroyed in the form of ships and drops loot that nullsec krab uses to buy PLEX to make more alts to gank more. 10 man ice farming alts who are doing so for not other reason than to keep those 10 accounts and 1 other PLEX'd. Ice Belts that can't actually even get mined by paying players due to this very PLEX mechanic.

Take that away, CCP will get more paying actual subscribers! Who PAY THEM ACTUAL MONEY! Sure there are lots of PLEX being sold on the market in Jita. For people to use their in game wealth (farming, ice botting, mining botting, etc) Remove that, and only the actual people who sub and play the game are paying their $15.00 USD every month to play. Money CCP is NOT GETTING right now, and CONTENT OTHER PLAYERS ARE NOT GETTING (miners, ice miners etc) because of the bots and excessive farmers taking that content to keep their 10 man farm running.

Where do those PLEX come from? CCP creates them. And people exchange money for PLEX to get ahead. Take that out. Remove it entirely, content is created for paying players. Some of us have gotten wealthy in game, but choose to use that ISK in game to have fun and do well. I don't need to buy a plex with $$$ to have content. If you're so time limited to play EVE that you buy PLEX to fund your PVP, maybe Elite Dangerous of Star Citizen might be more your style. I hear SC needs more money to 'finish the game' and you like spending money!

So again, PLEX is the golden ammo. CCP created it, even when people were worried that the NEX Store and Aurum would eventually be "Golden Ammo" or an instant "I Win" button. However all along, it was PLEX that was the golden ammo. And it is being used in game right now and is more responsible for destroying EVE than anything.

I'm not the "entitled one" in this situation, you've already stated you use out of game money to make playing this game easier. I'm the one who pays my $15.00 sub every month and all of my current wealth was made in game, not buying golden ammo in the form of PLEX to 'have fun' however so you don't have to do anything that actually makes the game better IN THE GAME, maybe it's time you looked in the mirror and said "Maybe I am a part of the problem".
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2015-08-19 10:18:51 UTC
OP?

You do know that CCP gets more money from a PLEX than a sub, right?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#11 - 2015-08-19 10:23:35 UTC
Carribean Queen wrote:
Solution:
Solution to what? You've not told us of a problem yet.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#12 - 2015-08-19 10:27:03 UTC
Plex wipd out the ISK spammers.

Take out Plex, and they'll be back in force.

A signature :o

Black Pedro
Mine.
#13 - 2015-08-19 10:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Carribean Queen wrote:

There are a lot of people in the game who work hard, make their ISK, and see all of this stuff going on that is making people not want to play EVE... I would attribute a lot of lost player retention because of the dumbfuckery that is current going on in highsec between the trade hubs.

Some 3 month old newb who loses a freighter with everything they own is likely NOT going to come back to the game after that. If I was a newb in this day and age, I wouldn't. Being told to "Buy a Permit" from some smarmy assclown who claims they're only role playing, but it's basically trolling to the point of ruining the experience for newer players in highsec.

So, remove PLEX from the game, convert all current in game PLEX to Aurum, and do something about fixing some highsec since you're trying to make things better all around.

Umm, Eve isn't about "working hard to make ISK". It is about conflict, competition and blowing each other up. You can play in the sandbox how you want, but it has been designed as a "full-time PvP in a sandbox environment" as CCP describes it so you should never feel safe.

Ships are suppose to blow up, including those that haul goods between highsec tradehubs. The game has been designed to explicitly allow, even promote it. Removing PLEX isn't going to change that, not to mention will not happen now. I agree PLEX isn't ideal, but RMT is a serious problem and as a tool to combat it PLEX appears effective.

New players should not be flying 1B+ ISK capital-class haulers that need a fleet to support it properly. The game has some serious SP and ISK blocks in place to prevent new players from flying such vulnerable ships - if new players somehow bypass them then they should also take responsibility to protect these ships.

Might it have not just been easier to spend 10M ISK on that permit than come to the forums to complain and propose infeasible ideas that will never gain traction?
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#14 - 2015-08-19 11:15:20 UTC
I've been ambiguous about PLEX myself in the past and were it not for three simple facts I would possibly have some sympathy with the OP's proposal:

1. On a purely financial level CCP make a better return from PLEX than from a standard subscription.

2. They are a major tool in the continuous struggle against RMT.

3. They allow players who may not be able to afford a regular subscription to continue playing, more players is good.

So in conclusion:

Not supported.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#15 - 2015-08-19 11:40:47 UTC
The danger of moving items is integral to competition just like it is with mining and you obviously think ganking miners is fine.

There is more evidence to suggest that players who lose ships early on in their game are more likely to stay in the game longer than those who dont.

And every plex used and traded in the game represents more money going to CCP than you pay for one of your subs.




If a player wants to put all his stuff in one ship then take it through a dangerous system then thats his decision. Why should that mean we should remove plex rather than encourage Corp owners to teach their members about how to mitigate risk? If it was your Corp member, then where were you when this guy speed trained into a freighter, bought a ton of plexes and decided to move all his stuff in one trip through gank systems?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-08-19 11:42:57 UTC
Nyalnara wrote:
Carribean Queen wrote:
TLDR: i got ganked, i'm butthurt, remove ganking, remove paying for alt account through plex because i suppose it will hurt nullsecers more than everybody else but i don't know for sure because i'm a ignorant twerp.


Also, i'm a lowsec player only, and i know removing plexes would hurt a lot of PvPers. Why? Because some of us have better OOG income than IG income, and we prefer working for a few hours and pay a plex, than farm a few hours for ISKs. Because it's more efficient, and Eve is all about efficiency. Removing plex would remove a lot of PvP from this game, and i do not support this.


LOL
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-08-19 11:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Danika Princip wrote:
OP?

You do know that CCP gets more money from a PLEX than a sub, right?


No he doesn't because he thinks Plexes spawn by themselves from unknown phenomenon.
Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
#18 - 2015-08-19 14:16:32 UTC
Carribean Queen wrote:
How to fix EVE Online!


Is it pwoken my fwiend?

::popcorn::
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#19 - 2015-08-19 14:43:36 UTC
Carribean Queen wrote:
PLEX is the 'golden ammo'.


Of course, because fully officer fit are absolutely unkillable. Or are they? Oh wait, nope. ISK tank is not best tank. Roll

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.

Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-08-19 16:36:22 UTC
This makes no sense and I'll tell you why.
Player buys plex with $, uses it, gets 30 days game time. CCP makes $
Player buys plex with isk, uses it, gets 30 days game time, CCP makes $ from the player that bought the plex with $ and put it on the in game market.

By removing plex CCP gets no money from either individual until their month sub is up and it renews. Now the player who plays and plexes his accounts can't play to plex his accounts so his total account number drops as he can't afford to keep all his accounts going without being able to plex. CCP loses $.

Further the player who has extra cash and doesn't want to isk grind no longer has a choice. Not only is CCP losing $ from this player NOT buying plex with $ to sell on the market, but they run the risk of losing the player all together because now their play style might not be feasible for them.
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