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Hyperspatia Lee
Memory Den
#1 - 2015-08-18 19:15:52 UTC
I read somewhere that looting the can of a suspect no longer results in the looter being suspect flagged. I have a couple of questions.

If I loot another player's can, I am suspect flagged. If I then jettison the loot, since I am suspect, does that mean anyone can take from my can without getting a flag?

And if a third player, such as my alt (not suspect flagged), loots my can and jettisons, nobody can loot his can without getting flagged?

Once my suspect timer expires, are my cans no longer lootable without causing a flag?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#2 - 2015-08-18 19:17:30 UTC
Yes.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#3 - 2015-08-18 20:27:21 UTC
Obligatory can can routine.

Yes, I went there.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#4 - 2015-08-18 20:37:30 UTC
Can you see where it would be easier to just go to WH space, lowsex or null to get fights.

Things like this only matter to elite pvp experts that have a need to dupe the unsuspecting into one sided ganks.



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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#5 - 2015-08-18 20:42:23 UTC
If my alt jets a can and I pick it up, then I invite Bronson to a duel.... can he accept the duel?

Once dueling Bronson if I jet the same item that my alt did (I'm still suspect from the initial can flip) and my alt pick it up..... is my alt suspect to Bronson? If he is, can Bronson shoot him during the duel. Can I shoot him too? Can I rep him? If I do rep him, can Bronson's alt now engage me being suspect, dueling and aiding a suspect OR does my involvement in the duel give me free reps on my alt and Bronson's alt can do nothing about it?

I need to know this in case it comes up. Please help me.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#6 - 2015-08-18 20:45:59 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
If my alt jets a can and I pick it up, then I invite Bronson to a duel.... can he accept the duel?

Once dueling Bronson if I jet the same item that my alt did (I'm still suspect from the initial can flip) and my alt pick it up..... is my alt suspect to Bronson? If he is, can Bronson shoot him during the duel. Can I shoot him too? Can I rep him? If I do rep him, can Bronson's alt now engage me being suspect, dueling and aiding a suspect OR does my involvement in the duel give me free reps on my alt and Bronson's alt can do nothing about it?

I need to know this in case it comes up. Please help me.



The real point of this question is if Bronson is actually my alt (he isn't) then did I just use 3 alts and a duel to legally remote rep an alt engaged in a conflict with no consequences? I have 3 alts, but no desire to actually find the answer.
Damnskippy
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-08-18 20:47:47 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
If my alt jets a can and I pick it up, then I invite Bronson to a duel.... can he accept the duel?

Once dueling Bronson if I jet the same item that my alt did (I'm still suspect from the initial can flip) and my alt pick it up..... is my alt suspect to Bronson? If he is, can Bronson shoot him during the duel. Can I shoot him too? Can I rep him? If I do rep him, can Bronson's alt now engage me being suspect, dueling and aiding a suspect OR does my involvement in the duel give me free reps on my alt and Bronson's alt can do nothing about it?

I need to know this in case it comes up. Please help me.


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Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
War and Wormhole
#8 - 2015-08-18 20:48:58 UTC
Is this a trick question?
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#9 - 2015-08-18 20:49:33 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Things like this only matter to elite pvp experts that have a need to dupe the unsuspecting into one sided ganks.

In their defense, there is a certain inescapable pleasure in a good duping. I personally couldn't live on that alone, but I know those who can.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#10 - 2015-08-18 20:57:26 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
If my alt jets a can and I pick it up, then I invite Bronson to a duel.... can he accept the duel?

Once dueling Bronson if I jet the same item that my alt did (I'm still suspect from the initial can flip) and my alt pick it up..... is my alt suspect to Bronson? If he is, can Bronson shoot him during the duel. Can I shoot him too? Can I rep him? If I do rep him, can Bronson's alt now engage me being suspect, dueling and aiding a suspect OR does my involvement in the duel give me free reps on my alt and Bronson's alt can do nothing about it?

I need to know this in case it comes up. Please help me.

This made my head hurt too. But, I love a good challenge. Let me take a stab at it.

Assume that your alt is Sam and mine is Brian.

If Sam jets a can and you pick it up, you will be suspect assuming that you're not in the same corp or don't otherwise have permission to pick it up.

If you are suspect, you can still invite me to a duel and I can still accept. Us trading fire as part of a limited engagement does not suspect flag me or extend your flag.

If you drop and item and Sam picks it up, then Sam will be suspect, along with you. (Not just suspect to me, as the suspect flag is universal.)

Yes, if Sam is suspect, I can shoot him (or her) during the duel without getting suspect flagged.

Yes, you can shoot Sam too since Sam is suspect, but you remain suspect flagged.

Repping Sam will extend your suspect timer, but you can do it with no other consequences.

Brian can freely engage either you or Sam since you are both suspect flagged. How you got flagged is irrelevant.

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Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#11 - 2015-08-18 21:07:13 UTC
Or simply put the can is suspect mechanically the same as you.

If you are suspect it is and therefore isn't protected.

Make the can someone else's its not yours anymore and therefore it has normal can protections in place again.

You lose suspect your can loses it. Simple enough right?
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#12 - 2015-08-18 21:12:55 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
If my alt jets a can and I pick it up, then I invite Bronson to a duel.... can he accept the duel?

Once dueling Bronson if I jet the same item that my alt did (I'm still suspect from the initial can flip) and my alt pick it up..... is my alt suspect to Bronson? If he is, can Bronson shoot him during the duel. Can I shoot him too? Can I rep him? If I do rep him, can Bronson's alt now engage me being suspect, dueling and aiding a suspect OR does my involvement in the duel give me free reps on my alt and Bronson's alt can do nothing about it?

I need to know this in case it comes up. Please help me.

This made my head hurt too. But, I love a good challenge. Let me take a stab at it.

Assume that your alt is Sam and mine is Brian.

If Sam jets a can and you pick it up, you will be suspect assuming that you're not in the same corp or don't otherwise have permission to pick it up.

If you are suspect, you can still invite me to a duel and I can still accept. Us trading fire as part of a limited engagement does not suspect flag me or extend your flag.

If you drop and item and Sam picks it up, then Sam will be suspect, along with you. (Not just suspect to me, as the suspect flag is universal.)

Yes, if Sam is suspect, I can shoot him (or her) during the duel without getting suspect flagged.

Yes, you can shoot Sam too since Sam is suspect, but you remain suspect flagged.

Repping Sam will extend your suspect timer, but you can do it with no other consequences.

Brian can freely engage either you or Sam since you are both suspect flagged. How you got flagged is irrelevant.



OK, 2 questions: How tall is Brian and what is Sam wearing when he picks up the can?
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#13 - 2015-08-18 21:20:55 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
OK, 2 questions: How tall is Brian and what is Sam wearing when he picks up the can?

Brian is a lean 5'11" and enjoys cheap red wine, expensive scotch, long walks on the beach, and dank frags.

Sam is wearing the new Blood Raiders "Arterial" fall collection in the finest genuine slaver hound leather.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#14 - 2015-08-18 21:25:47 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
OK, 2 questions: How tall is Brian and what is Sam wearing when he picks up the can?

Brian is a lean 5'11" and enjoys cheap red wine, expensive scotch, long walks on the beach, and dank frags.

Sam is wearing the new Blood Raiders "Arterial" fall collection in the finest genuine slaver hound leather.



Swoooooon
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2015-08-18 21:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
OK, 2 questions: How tall is Brian and what is Sam wearing when he picks up the can?

Brian is a lean 5'11" and enjoys cheap red wine, expensive scotch, long walks on the beach, and dank frags.

Sam is wearing the new Blood Raiders "Arterial" fall collection in the finest genuine slaver hound leather.


Tom is skulking in the shadows (cloaked) carrying a blunt object , the "Arterial" leather pants shall be his, the shoes look good too.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#16 - 2015-08-18 21:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Swoooooon

So since we've completely derailed this topic, if I give you a Thanatos would you vote for me for CSM?

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2015-08-18 21:47:52 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
OK, 2 questions: How tall is Brian and what is Sam wearing when he picks up the can?

Brian is a lean 5'11" and enjoys cheap red wine, expensive scotch, long walks on the beach, and dank frags.

Sam is wearing the new Blood Raiders "Arterial" fall collection in the finest genuine slaver hound leather.


Tom is skulking in the shadows (cloaked) carrying a blunt object , the "Arterial" leather pants shall be his, the shoes look good too.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#18 - 2015-08-18 21:52:50 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Swoooooon

So since we've completely derailed this topic, if I give you a Thanatos would you vote for me for CSM?


If you give me Leto's thanatos (the one that he owes me) I will endorse you and demand the same from my many scattered minions. Your name will be uttered in the WH void, the depths of SOV null, in the elite empire pvp corps and of course by Momma Thule herself. I can get that woman to do anything (anything).
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#19 - 2015-08-19 12:12:09 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Swoooooon

So since we've completely derailed this topic, if I give you a Thanatos would you vote for me for CSM?


If you give me Leto's thanatos (the one that he owes me) I will endorse you and demand the same from my many scattered minions. Your name will be uttered in the WH void, the depths of SOV null, in the elite empire pvp corps and of course by Momma Thule herself. I can get that woman to do anything (anything).



Except make Leto give you a Thanny (or Tranny?)

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#20 - 2015-08-19 12:13:03 UTC
Hyperspatia Lee wrote:
I read somewhere that looting the can of a suspect no longer results in the looter being suspect flagged. I have a couple of questions.

If I loot another player's can, I am suspect flagged. If I then jettison the loot, since I am suspect, does that mean anyone can take from my can without getting a flag?

And if a third player, such as my alt (not suspect flagged), loots my can and jettisons, nobody can loot his can without getting flagged?

Once my suspect timer expires, are my cans no longer lootable without causing a flag?



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