Crime & Punishment

Oh, and by the way, it's not exactly a mystery why you two SJWs (space justice warriors) want to try and disqualify my experiences like that.

Because anyone who is an actual victim pretty much invalidates your "space victims" narrative. A space victim doesn't measure up to real life, no matter how much you try and stretch it.

I would tell you both that you should be ashamed of yourselves, but I personally think you lack the capacity.

Absolutely no relationship at all, totally and utterly irrelevant to me, if you speak to him tell him good name choice.

I, too, can be straight up without any propaganda.

Austneal was a member of a CODE. war-fighting corp. Before joining, which was not that long ago, he mailed me first requesting who to talk to about joining. I referred him to my friend and CEO, Kaely Tanniss, whom I assume referred him to Kavoro, and soon after, he was a member of Sword.

Now it must be noted here that, as warfighting corps, both Black Hydra and Sword of the Saviour expect a certain degree of... well, common sense and competence. Oh sure, we expect to have losses, even some expensive ones. That's EVE. But playing station games and/or baiting on the undock of Dodixie IX-20 in an Orca is not something we consider sensible. That being said, pilots in warfighting corps are granted a certain degree of leeway and such things are not outright forbidden. We assume pilots know what they're doing. If he'd been successful at whatever he was trying to do, well.... no harm, no foul. He would have demonstrated his competence.

But the boot does indeed come down hard on such senseless losses. At the time it happened, and Austneal posted his loss in our intel channel, I personally had quite a chuckle. My initial response was, "nice ^_^". I still have the logs. I don't care about people losing ships. I had already decided how I would handle it - the same way I'd have handled it in Khanid with DONT alliance. I would have arranged an epic awox on his arse, laughed at him tremendously, and warned him against any future retardation.

However, the decision had already been made by higher-ups. No chances were taken, and the entire corp was removed from the alliance. There isn't a single alliance that wouldn't have made the same decision, to be quite frank. Kavoro's corp, Sword, was immediately invited back to the alliance on the condition that Austneal was not there, and you will see them back in the alliance for yourselves once the cooldown (due to wardecs) is over. And here's a fun fact: earlier that day, before the Orca loss, Kavoro had been talking about removing Austneal from corp already, amongst others, due to his inactivity. I advised Kavoro to wait a bit in Austneal's case due to how new he was, but I'd leave the decision to him.

For the record, CODE. did not suffer from this loss. The alliance continues to complete its objectives and continues to be the most destructive alliance in the game. One little Orca barely cuts into the 18+ trillion isk the alliance has destroyed. Losing an Orca is not what got Austneal kicked - his demonstration of incompetence and bot-aspirancy is what did it. Even a five second afk distraction on the undock of Dodixie IX-20 is enough for a small bump to get you off the station, and in an Orca, that means death. While I personally would have been more tolerant of the mistake, I don't consider it salty at all to kick someone outright for this, and the only reason anyone would say otherwise is their own saltiness at CODE.

And I, for one, have no problem with anyone who wants to misconstrue this action as salty. Just remember that accusation, however, the next time you're deciding what to do with an incompetent corp member.

This is the most important part. You can tell that it's correct by how Dracvlad and Herzog are posting here. Few are saltier.

I think you need to train up comprehension. What folks are saying is pretty clear. When they gank noobs in belts they are destroying the game by taking a leak on new player retention. When they gank freighters they are inconsequential at conrolling the market.

To put it in terms you can understand. You can be both pretty and dumb because one has to do with appearance and the other has to do with sentient thought.

The destroying the game claim isn't directly measurable and purely opinion based. The inconsequential (to the market) is what I would call plain dumb obvious.


I look at it like this. You take 100 random eve players. 1 is a saint, 1 is a devil and the spectrum falls out in between based on all kinds of human factors.

Now take 100,000 eve players and provide them with an organisation such as CODE. and the risk averse, childish and gullible will gravitate to it and fill its ranks. They will band together and feel good about themselves, each other and the great things they feel they are doing. That an entire corp gets the boot for an orca loss is quite in character. I'm sure there was a round of back pats and fist bumps on some level for the action.

I'm not sure why this is such a big deal. It's not like a respectable alliance that promotes quality eve gameplay did something despicable. If you had to bin CODE. as white nights or asshats I think all involved (CODE. included) would be more comfortable with asshats. Asshats gonna do what asshats gonna do.

Why is this even a thread??

Let's see...

You either have an inability to distinguish between "noobs" and"newbies" or an irrational belief that noobs should be protected, you either don't know or don't care what CCP have said with regard to the myth that attacking new players is bad for the game and you either don't know or are simply lying about the consequences of our freighter ganking. I believe both PushX and Red Frog just put their prices up because of ganking (and not for the first time).

Perhaps garner some actual facts, rather than your opinions that you wish were facts, before posting?

LOL @ thinking I was crying about being banned from Anti-Ganking. That channel is the most toxic place in this game and being banned should be looked at as a blessing.

So specifically you're saying NO to opinions and YES to beliefs? I see that you are trying to be coherent and make valid points, but it's just not coming out right.

Also the only thing I actually weighed in on (with opinion) is that CODE. attracts the risk averse, childish and gullible. I portrayed no opinion how CCP feels about noob or newbie bashing. OK, I did point out that freighter ganking is a failure as far as putting a dent in the eve economy. As far as red frog and push changing thier prices... OH NOES.... the eve markets are crumbling... because red frog and push hauling fees are changing. I'll be blunt (no disrespect to professional hauling guys - your work is appreciated) if red frog and push ceased to exist or decided to just not show up for a month - the eve economy wouldn't crash. They are as integral to the eve economy health as your ganking is. (if you like mental pictures think of a ping pong ball being bounced off the side of the worlds largest ball of string)

Which brings up the interesting thing about you making a big deal about distinquishing the differences between being a noob and a newb as important while clearly not being able to distinguish pretty much anything else. You are a conundrum. It's too bad I enjoy spinning you up more than getting to know you. You are quite interesting.

That kind of humor or the genre of it you cite - laughing at people having accidents for example - is considered to be one of the facets of the fall of western civilization. As has been apparent now for nearly 10 years and parallel to the increasingly lower quality of the people we meet online in MMOs.

So yeah, you are correct in your hamsterish rationalization.

Still, as we have seen and as is the core reason of this thread, the gankers are not as bulletproof, ego-wise, as we have seen. There was a huge 30 billion+ ISK ship loss from a very virulent suspect baiter recently, killed by people who I have a few degree of separation from (like, 2). I was wondering why I have not seen that person online in a while until I saw the killboard.

Clearly though, it does show on the game. But if experienced players go about puppy stomping and driving noobs out of the game while snarking "maybe they should not be here", what does that do for the game?

Let's compare it to driving a puppy-stomper out of the game?

Now, what is more satisfying? Driving out some noob on gotcha games and ganks or driving out some puppy stomper taking out his WTFPWNmobile to the tune of over 30 billion ISK?

If all the "greifers" out there want to claim the "improve" Eve online by driving out certain people, then go on to gank noobs and industrialists, I would say they are on the wrong target. If they really want to improve the game, other greifers should be their target.

Putting down the trained attack dog of a local miscreant is much more challenging than stomping some little puppy.


And that, sarge, is why the anti-gankers are starting to have more tired bitter nullseccers who never got ganked themselves joining their ranks.

And they might even be joining yours.

So you're not what we would call a learing organization. Kind of 'Bat 1000 or get the boot of incompetance'

If I lost an enyo to a tempest would that be incompetanat? What if the fight was really really really close?

I'm just trying to find the line. Please excuse me for not reading all the deep immersion role play stuff on your website. If the answer is in there, would you be a dear and link the part on incompetance. If I joined you're group is there some standard to weigh my possible future actions against?