Player Features and Ideas Discussion

to add to the litter of ill-thought out war dec ideas here is...
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WAR FLAG


the background:
in the begining all eve was lawless. This lead to anarchy and an environment not friendly to new players. Iterations over several years have lead to now.


the pitch:
Bring in a member number based system that auto-flags you and your corp/alliance to everyone else with a flag.
This flag is a pvp flag.

So (pulling some numbers out of my azz) say if a corp has over 10(eg) members it is auto-flagged to all other corporations with flags.

If you have an alliance you automatically become flagged to everyone else with a flag.

added: Only flagged corps and alliances may run an active POS

added: EvE Uni should be granted special NPC status but players may only remain in alliance for 6(eg) weeks and cannot rejoin. Then Uni get to do their job and we lose another uncertainty in the system.


the pros:
* lawlessness returns.
* small corps/1 man corps can carry on in peace.
* forming an alliance means something other than you have 1bn ISK in the wallet.
* blues are still blue.
* logistics and logistics corps become meaningful.
* market and production are energized


the cons:
* small corps are immune.
* its still exploitable to a certain extent.


ive literally just thought of this so please add to the pros and cons, plus any thoughts on the overall viability. I really like it. Anyone that doesnt want in stays in an NPC corp (as now) or joins a small corp (as now). Everyone else has an extremely interesting life.

in response to post #2 added a line regarding POSes. Stops POS immunity I likey.
in response to post #2 EvE Uni should be granted special NPC status but players may only remain in alliance for 6 weeks and cannot rejoin. Then Uni get to do their job and we lose another uncertainty in the system.

Your idea is very bad. Yes it allows more pvp, but FFA pvp without flagging would allow for even more pvp.

It ruins the immersion, for those who care about it.

One man corp wont be wardecced anyway, and having all corps with over ten members in war with each other is the most idiotic proposal I've heard. On the par with pink canes with violet flowers on them. How you can explain it from the fiction point of view, how would Empires allow it?

If orphans want PVP so much, I heard theres other things to do ingame than camp stations all day.

the idea is bad, because you now have no "legitimate" recourse against that 9-man industrial group who continue to steal your ore, or are the industrial "suppliers" for one of your reds who have 10+ members ...

You do realise that the current average age of pilots in eve university is a year and this will kick at least 80% of them? They will hate this idea.

Came expecting terrible idea.

Got terrible thread also.

Bonus, I guess?

-1. Not supported.

PS: I hear there's a lot of pvp that happens, you know, out of empire.

nothing to do with orphans just throwing some positive constructive ideas out there. O wait eve forums my bad.




o look an eve uni person deliberately mis-interpreting the idea. This does not make eve ffa. It makes it so under certain conditions you become 'eligable' for pvp. Grouping to run missions? no flagged. Haulers hauling? not flagged. If these people get into a situation where they are flagged more fool them. Also you have yet to give a reason why this would be less rather than more immersive.




this is completely valid but I guess that is where a dev comes in. Atm you have invulnerable high sec poses, dec shield groups to remove war decs and alts to name but a few issues. There will always be a way round im just trying to create a condition where more people are pvp-ing than not.




if its bound to skillpoints industrial players get the shaft but good idea. The POS thing is given, if youre flashy so is your POS. Suicide gankers have demonstrated sec hits are pointless and low sec proves how unpopular it is with players. I appreciate your thoughts im just not convinced.

Goose99, re: T2 - whats to stop this happening right now? And are all these many t2 corps 10+ members? If they are alliances then do they not have a pvp wing? Is a higher price for t2 modules a bad thing? And so on.




I know, i know, its got to be a troll right? Find the GM sanctioned dropping of dec exploit thread in GD. See all those likes on the first post? Thats Eve uni. Now, i know you already know this but my point is that since they seem to have some sort of protection from the developers anyway why not just write it in? Like prohibition to legalization, sometimes its easier to just accept the elephant in the room and work with it. By making eve-uni 'official' you can then add in a time limit to stop the situation we have now: an undeccable alliance of players old enough to know better.

You'll have to explain what you mean by "stealing" your ore. I assume you don't mean that a corp would try to lay "claim" to a high-sec space. As for the idea of a 9-man corp "supplying" a 10+ corp, they could have NPC corp players doing that as well. The benefit of the suppliers being in a "corp" would be that you could flag them appropriately for follow-up suicide-gank.

And I agree with ShipToaster and Rellik B00n. Effectively, you could make them a full up NPC corp that people could "join". However, with no admins and teachers around, I could see them being essentially useless. It may be better to just let folks "join" any NPC corp that they wanted. If folks don't like the corp "lite" idea, then joining an NPC corp of choice is an alternative.

How about I put a web and scram on my indy? Will that flag me? Now flagging should work based on whether you have offensive modules installed or not, right? And that will not work good.

An Osprey mining fit can have one missile launcher to kill weak belt rats. So is it combat or mining vessel now?
And indies and mining vessels can scram and web.

And E-UNI (or any other corp) to have a special status, that's too wrong. You know E-UNI must have some veteran players to show newbies how to play, with your proposal implemented they'll be forced to leave in essence making E-UNI unable to fullfill its role.

So my initial judgment remains the same, your proposal is poorly thought-out and will ruin the game if implemented.

I apologize if you misunderstand. But your vocalized viewpoints do affect the reputation of the entity you belong to. It's unavoidable when posting with your main. There are forum alts. Posting with your main is a statement of acceptance in taking this responsibility.

Flagging for highsec POS ensures that only industralists who cannot fight are permanently decced by everyone, while fighter chars who has the combat SP can avoid decs at leisure. This is the opposite of what a war is.

In Eve, there are many professions. If everyone is meant to fight, then only gunnery SP would exist. Those who choose to play the industrial way in their sandbox do not wish war, because they cannot fight. Wall Street is not Afghanistan. In Eve, as in the world, there are different time and place for different activities, behave appropriately accordingly.

In order to outcompete business rival in the marketplace, you can offer better products or services at a lower price. Walking into their office and go on a shooting spree is something completely different. Those who do aren't business people interested in business competition at all, and are in fact looking for something else. Any pretext will do.

Publicizing wardecs brings fights to those that wish it, as they say they do. Although I suspect some of them may not mean what they say, and are in fact farmers of a different variety.