Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You seem to be very selective in your reading. In the same instance as "OMG you're removing local" you also ignore all of my ideas for defensive systems. You are still missing my point. Right now local requires almost zero effort and skill to utilize as an intelligence tool. I want players to become (more) actively involved in their continued survival. The best players will live, everyone else will die, some more often than others. I have never intended to create a situation where "it's too easy to gank people". Again, you're focusing on everything *you* fear: being killed by a more competent player. My ideas are such that if you're a smart player, you'll be just as hard to catch as ever, possibly even more so.

One of the largest reasons why W-Space is so sparsely populated is because of access: it's difficult to just get around in it, much less fight in it. You need multiple ships/accounts just to navigate it effectively. It's almost impossible to fit a ship that can both PVP with a wide variety of targets and still probe wormholes effectively. Frankly, I think that this is an opportunity for CCP to create a new class of ships to solve this problem.

The last thing I want to do is dilute what is wonderful about W-Space. But on the other hand, putting local into delayed mode is the way forward and there isn't any way around that.

W-Space will always be differentiated from K-Space because of the nature of wormholes and the system anomalies. Additionally, all of the W-Space residents will quickly adapt to the new scanning systems both offensively and defensively. W-Space residents are some of the most cutting edge players in Eve. I think my proposed changes will affect them the least.

As for the cloaking issue- I envision CovOps ships as having a fuel endurance of weeks with a full load of fuel and the various probes required. I have no intention of ending up in a situation that diminishes the best aspects of current game play. I want to further the best aspects of what we have and improve them even more in addition to adding in new mechanics.

This is an interesting detailed and inmost aspect very nice addition to the game.

I like 90 % of the proposed changes and I am OK with almost all of them.

Please someone get a dev to read through this and even contact the guy to pick his brain more.
Very nicely done sir

Covert ops sensor links to fleet removed local command ship roles Limited range jumpdrives a lot of interesting stuff

Oh one thing the OP I think forgot Need to kill the API feeds for system statistics and the system statistics availble from the map should be limited only to Jumps / Gate activation's per hour.

I like to fit cloaks because it enables me to go AFK from a game that rarely lets you dock.
You're out on a roam with your corp, 30 jumps away into 0.0, and you NEED to go for IRL stuff... CLOAK!

If Cloaking gets a change/nerf, i think the fairest option would be to allow him to be visually seen slightly, like a faint ripple or ghost effect (but not targetable/selectable)

Also, simply removing local would solve a lot of this

the removal of local would be the easy fix to all this.

it can be argued the current scanning system is ideal and works well .

with the removal of local capsuleers would be dependent on their already available dscan "sensor" and hunters could use their current methods but would be greatly aided with the help of a prober.

Wow it’s a pretty good idea so much so that I actually spent all of lunch thinking about the idea and how it could be implemented. I think our biggest issue isn’t what all can be done with it but how to streamline it to easily work within current eve mechanics without adding too much more server activity. This is what I came up with.

New items: System Communication Array - a pos structure that provides an active local channel.
Signature Manipulation Unit: A scriptable item that allows you to appear on passive or active scans as another ship one class lower or high then your current class

Using existing d-scan window a second button is installed called “Active Scan” both passive and active scan strengths are a factor of the senor strength of the ship. Sensor strength of ships can be increased with existing ECCM mods, backup sensor arrays, or manipulated with a new mod called a “Signature Manipulation Unit” (SMU) Both passive and active scanning use the d-scans ability to change range and scan area. With that in mind effective scan strength would increase as area scanned is decreased. When scanning like the current system the degree the ship was scanned down would determine the information provided going from unknown>ship class>shiptype>warpable.
A sample encounter might be something as follows: Me in my epic caracel of thunder jump through a gate and find the local channel to be offline. While still holding gate cloak I pop a passive scanning taking a glimpse of the area 14 aus out a have a couple POSes at 100% as well as a few unknowns in direction of planet V. I warp to planet V at 100km and using the degree selector change the angle down to 5% and find one of my unknowns to be an iteron IV sitting at the same distance as the POS on scan in the direction of moon 2. Damn! confident that I’m not getting that itty IV kill without a dread fleet I passive scan down another unknown to planet 1 belt 2. I warp to belt confident that my caracel can take almost everything null sec has to offer. While in warp I continue to spam passive scan and as I draw closer see my unknown resolve itself into a rifter. Salivating at the thought of another kill I land on grid and find myself sitting next to a proteus with a smile. He must have been running an SMU in his spare high slot. I quickly change from being the hunter to the hunted and try to overload my MWD to get away but it’s no use. My last thoughts before taking the pod express back to high sec is ”maybe I should have brought a drake”

A couple optional thoughts:
Cloaking- allowed but prevents you from active scanning while cloaked and reduces the effective range and sensor strength by 1/2 for passive scan modules due to interference.

Scanning Delay: Both passive and active modes of the scanner would have a 5-10 second cycle time the results being displayed at the end of the cycle. This would further limit intel and reduce server load and could also be skill dependant.

Caldari are the best and the Worst: An interesting side effect of using sensor strength and sig radius as the factors on a passive/active scan is that caldari ships become the best at using those scans but also the easiest to find
Signature Reduction Unit: An optional mod could be something that reduces your signature when activated to make it harder for people to scan you down.

Balance: All ships need to be able to d-scan to some effect but there needs to be limits to how well that ship can scaning using the d-scan method. In other words .. no unprobable ships and we can't making probey ships useless but we need to make d-scan effective.

My 2 cents

I'll rephrase that to reflect the actual practical realities of EVE for you, especially vis-a-vis what smaller groups realistically can/cannot do against the carebear nullblob-tards:

As long as local is the only thing that doesn't have a counter, then I see no reason to remove/nerf cloaks. And many reasons not to.

And cloaks do have a counter, they even bring it in themselves (So nice of us "cloakyfags" to do that for you, no?).

Actually, several:

Whilst cloaked, you can't:

1) Use prop-modules
2) Turn on tanking modules
3) Target anything
4) Use weapons or even switch/load ammo
5) Launch probes
6) (There is no (6). It ran away and hid in its POS like a little squealing pig when the neut came into local, because its chickenshit fail-Alliance couldn't be arsed to actually secure its ratting/mining space properly)
7) Use gang-booster links, if so equipped
8) Or do much of anything else except slowboat in one direction or another, anomaly-scan, d-scan, or warp someplace else where it will have the same restrictions (if CovOps-type, anyway)

This is not a "NURVCLAOCKSNAOW!!!1111!!!oneoneone!!11" thread, mate, so don't be derailing it into one, please, thank you!

Yes please for more terrain in EVE.

Wormspace has some idea of terrain (system effect beacons, the ability to manipulate connections) and it is one of the things that makes wormspace so much better than k space.

Would definitely like to see nebulas to fly into to lose pursuers, or more dangerous effects that cause ship damage, or even the ability to dodge behind asteroids to block incoming shots...

Delayed local is the biggest troll in EVE and would destroy PVP as we know it.



The guy who wants delayed local is the guy who's looking for the null sec ratter but cant catch him because as soon as his scout enters a system, the person ratting warps off.

What you seem to forget and everyone always misses is that the number one way you FIND fights is with local. The number one way you HIDE from a fight is without.


PvP will die without local unless there is a better intel gathering tool which tracks ship movements on some kind of scale.

I'm thinking that this should not be applicable in w-space for that very reason.

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The nature of w-space/environmental effects render (new-)"standard-scanners" inoperative, and you cloak and d-scan as current.

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If lots of k-spacers don't like the new scanning system, then hey, they move to w-space, and that means more targets for you, and more smart players surviving the "cull" by learning to thrive in w-space, boost to economy in the classic EVE manner--everyone wins!