Crime & Punishment

A question, are the followers of James315 and his 'New Order the ultimate Eve carebears?

I've returned to Eve after a gap of a few years and had a growing uneasy feeling that James315 and his 'New Order' are damaging the game. No specific reason, just a feeling.

Unitl CCP Ytterbium's article I FEEL SAFE IN CITADEL CITY crystalised the feeling:

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One of the core philosophies of EVE Online is that acquired resources can be lost. This in turn keeps the economy in check, gives a risk versus reward in the game, and promotes conflict and bragging (who doesn’t love those juicy killmails?).

So where is the risk in what they do?

Their balance sheet seems healthy The New Order Gets Audited.

They always win - just look at their blog!

Doesn't the absence of risk make them the ultimate carebears thus damaging the game?

Pity about the popcorn.
Please tell me the answer from last time and save me a lot of time.

Got to give you A+ for eloquence and a nice combination of logical fallacies.

But, the use of Risk Management implies Risk Aversion, or why do it? Also, Risk Management taken to the limit implies no risk, hence the problem - I cannot see where the risk reward equation lies in the ingame actions.

Simple to refute, just give examples of real ongoing risk.

CODE were considered elite PvP and helping with new player retention.
Hope this helps.

James didn't choose the carebear life, the carebear life chose him

So the killboards show - I've heard others too - elite ganker, elite griefer and even elite PK scum (and others too rude to mention). But hey, don't you want to win all and be know as Ultimate Carebears - don't be shy claim all the titles.

Oh, you are just trying to disparage the Saviour then?

Nah, New Order assets and their backer's stuff are at exactly the same risk as every other player's stuff when in a station. There is no difference from any other player corporation, alliance, coalition or organization so implying that they should be at some special risk is a little bit silly. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

What argues against your assertion that James 315 is an uber-carebear is that unlike the typical ISK-obsessed hoarding behaviour characteristic of the typical carebear, James 315 literally just gives his assets away to those who are doing good work in enforcing the risk vs. reward design of the game. Seems like he is more like an anti-carebear in that his organization's purpose is to lose and destroy wealth, as well as stimulate risk, the direct opposite of what a carebear organization is trying to accomplish.

I am afraid though the New Order is just playing by the same rules as everyone else. If you had the power to make New Order assets to be at risk, you would make everyone's assets at risk have a lot of angry carebears blaming you for the loss of their stuff, likely much of it to the same people who make up the New Order now. I will not presume to know what the Saviour thinks, but I bet James 315 would back such an initiative to make in-station assets and ISK vulnerable.

Besides those assets James 315 collects do not materialize out of thin air - they are subject to the same risks as any asset generation in the game. If people choose to give them to a charitable organization such as the New Order, that is their prerogative. Perhaps you should consider some fundraising?

On reflection, it seems like this post has more of the stench of impotent failure than a real attack on James 315. Remember, don't hate the player, hate the game.

You can fight James 315. There is a provision in the Code on how you can initiate a duel with him. It is right at the end.

Apparently doing well and having a viable business plan makes you a carebear?

Did I say that, wait let me read what I wrote....

No, what I said was having no risk makes you the "Ultimate Carebear". (Uber if you prefer.)

Don't get the wrong idea, I think your business plan is really cool - a little too good for comfort. I sort of miss my old carebear friends who just might have found it a bit too confronting.