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Invade Amarr Space - Call to Federation Navy and Republic Fleet!

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#41 - 2015-08-17 18:29:03 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You can call us Federals many things, and oyu often have. Go on. Go right ahead with that. I won't stop you. Call us culturally imperialistic. Call us elitist. Call us ivory-tower utopians. Call us no better than the Amarr if you want, but read my lips - no Minmatar, loyalist, old-Republican, new-Tribal or independent, has earned the right to slander the Federation as uncaring.


You're uncaring. Your whole litany of 'we did all of this!' wasn't for us, it was for you. It was so you could feel like the great saviors and tell yourself how awesome you were for suffering all of that economic hardship on our behalf, even though:

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even after all the money that cost us, we were still living in times of plenty


All you gave, and it didn't even register a blip on the bottom line. Yeah. So noble. So sacrificing. Go back to polishing your monuments to your own nobility, droner.

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Where were the Minmatar when Sukuuvestaa sold foodstuffs to the Federation so defective they caused brain damage in children? Where were the Minmatar when Serpentis stole the Molyneux? Where were the Minmatar when the skies of Reschard and Seyllin burnt? Did you not care?


No. Did I ever claim I did? You poison our peoples' minds like the Amarr, you attempt to push us to adopt your form of rule, like the Amarr, you get pissy with us when your children start wearing tattoos they don't understand - and do we respond with blood for the mockery of our ways? No, of course not. They're children. They don't know what they're doing. You do. And you let them. And you rage at us for it. So noble. So self-sacrificing. Just don't let anyone deviate from your ideals, or you'll throw a fit and kill off an entire world. Really, I'm pretty shocked you haven't tried replacing your young with 'Integrated Childbot Is'.

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Perhaps the Republic and the Federation's friendship cannot last. But don't you ever dare tell me we didn't put our heart into it.


You put your heart into your reflection. Stop looking into the mirror and declaring everything there is fine because all you see is yourself.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-08-17 19:11:43 UTC
If I was talking to a mirror, I'd at least be having a more rational conversation, you nullsec puppet.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#43 - 2015-08-17 19:50:55 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
If I was talking to a mirror, I'd at least be having a more rational conversation, you nullsec puppet.


That's it. Very good. Can't actually argue with what your nose is being rubbed in, so attack the person saying it.

The Federation, folks. Such wonderful people.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-08-17 20:24:12 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
If I was talking to a mirror, I'd at least be having a more rational conversation, you nullsec puppet.


That's it. Very good. Can't actually argue with what your nose is being rubbed in, so attack the person saying it.

The Federation, folks. Such wonderful people.


That all depends on which peole in the Federation you talk to...
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2015-08-17 21:14:33 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
That's it. Very good. Can't actually argue with what your nose is being rubbed in, so attack the person saying it.

You never made any actual points. You just made baseless comparisons to the Amarrians - made even more ironic when there are many perfectly legitimate comparisons to the Amarr Empire one can make about the Federation that were apparently quite beyond you - and rambled disjointedly about drones.

You're a YC 111 graduate. I was providing support to Minmatar causes before you even started your training. Clearly, time well spent.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#46 - 2015-08-17 22:08:57 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You're a YC 111 graduate. I was providing support to Minmatar causes before you even started your training. Clearly, time well spent.


But not before I began being Matari. So don't try lecturing me on the 'assistance' your sanctimonious Federation's been giving. Perverting our way of life for the sake of a few credits of aid. Faugh.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-08-17 22:40:01 UTC
You know what the great thing is, though?

At least I didn't sell out my people to go and join Imperium. Blink

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#48 - 2015-08-17 22:41:24 UTC
I like a good tussle as much as the next person but, I fear the OP has confused fun and suicide.

Speaking as both a Federal citizen and a Minmatar freedom fighter I say "no" to this outlandish proposition. We'll free our people but, it won't be via a direct assault on the imperials.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#49 - 2015-08-17 22:50:17 UTC
This is why everyone with half a brain should join the Empire or State,

Only idiots want to kill us.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#50 - 2015-08-17 22:58:18 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
This is why everyone with half a brain should join the Empire or State,

Only idiots want to kill us.


No, the idiots are just loud about it...
Arrendis
TK Corp
#51 - 2015-08-18 00:36:48 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You know what the great thing is, though?

At least I didn't sell out my people to go and join Imperium. Blink


Neither did I. As I told your esteemed colleague, I'm sending money home pretty much constantly. And you still haven't addressed the patently obvious point that all your protests of 'caring' are really just caring about your own ego and need to feel like wonderful people, helping out the poor widdle Matari.

Patronizing jackwagon.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2015-08-18 01:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Arrendis wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You know what the great thing is, though?

At least I didn't sell out my people to go and join Imperium. Blink


Neither did I. As I told your esteemed colleague, I'm sending money home pretty much constantly. And you still haven't addressed the patently obvious point that all your protests of 'caring' are really just caring about your own ego and need to feel like wonderful people, helping out the poor widdle Matari.

Patronizing jackwagon.


Does it matter what their motives are if they are willing to help and ask for nothing in return?

Yes?

Then you might want to boycott every support organisation and every charity ever, you cynical wench.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#53 - 2015-08-18 01:36:21 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Does it matter what their motives are if they are willing to help and ask for nothing in return?


Do their motives matter... to who? To people in need? A drowning man doesn't question the life preserver. And nobody with a brain expects him to. But to me?

Maybe if they were asking nothing in return, that'd be a valid question. Instead, they're asking for simpering little sycophants to bow and scrape and dance for their pleasure.

And even then? No, their motives don't matter to me - their honesty does. I'm not going give any respect to a bunch of self-righteous jerks who can't even admit to themselves why they're doing it.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2015-08-18 01:53:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Arrendis wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Does it matter what their motives are if they are willing to help and ask for nothing in return?


Do their motives matter... to who? To people in need? A drowning man doesn't question the life preserver. And nobody with a brain expects him to. But to me?

Maybe if they were asking nothing in return, that'd be a valid question. Instead, they're asking for simpering little sycophants to bow and scrape and dance for their pleasure.

And even then? No, their motives don't matter to me - their honesty does. I'm not going give any respect to a bunch of self-righteous jerks who can't even admit to themselves why they're doing it.


Perhaps you want to cite your sources. Last I checked, they haven't yet placed a list of demands on the Republic.

As for honesty, who is ever truly honest about the reasons behind their altruism? Neither should it be under consideration. Had they given you stuff and asked you to worship them personally? No? Then just take the damned thing and go! Last I recall, the Republic had no wings to fly with during her inception. If the Republic go around questioning honesty and motives of just about everyone, State, Federal or otherwise, for any offers of help, the Republic will likely not exist today.

Besides, I can also start questioning YOUR motives for this rant of yours. Exactly what are you hoping to accomplish with your antagonising of a Gallentean capsuleer, a self-proclaimed philanthropist? Were you trying to be patronising? Trying to stand on top of a moral high ground? Trying to look like you are smarter, more sober than those who do not question the generous aid packages they are getting? Trying to show that you are financially and intellectually superior? Also, who exactly are you representing?

If you want to be angry about anything, be angry with the Republic and her mismanagement. That was what landed the Republic citizen in this whole mess with antiquated and barely coping social infrastructure and etc in the first place.

Moreover, if you don't wish to show respect, just don't. Any more words are wasted. No need to justify squat. As my clan elder used to say, if you feel the need to justify your actions, you shouldn't have done those actions to begin with.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2015-08-18 07:57:15 UTC
One of the main reasons for all that federal help has always been about supporting an antagonistic power to the Amarr Empire, to serve as a counter balance and power check. They never really hide it, and that is basic strategy...

On that point the Federation has always been blessed that the Republic share the exact same strategic position, if not even more...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#56 - 2015-08-18 07:59:33 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
I feel your proposition is an unwise decision and not only because the Amarr navy is such a powerful force. Recently, people reported Drifters skirmishing with Gallente Gate patrols. Seems they took a shining for the Gallente for reasons not yet known.
Keep in mind, I'm still collecting data on it, haven't got confirmation that it happens at other places or that it is restricted to the Gallente.

In short: Drifters & Gallente Gate patrols trade shots but then stand down, reason for this behaviour is unknown.
I reported on this disturbing behaviour in my latest article: Amarr Navy repels third Drifter Assault

If anyone sees this behaviour, I'm very interested in what you have to say. Providing images of these aggressive exchanges would be greatly appreciated.



I would not be surprised if Roden had friends amongst the Drifters. Heck the old coot almost looks like one of them.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2015-08-18 08:03:17 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
One of the main reasons for all that federal help has always been about supporting an antagonistic power to the Amarr Empire, to serve as a counter balance and power check. They never really hide it, and that is basic strategy...

On that point the Federation has always been blessed that the Republic share the exact same strategic position, if not even more...


The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend.

Conventional wisdom, though obviously flawed.

I believe at this point it should be updated to 'The Enemy of my Enemy is a problem for later. For now they may be useful'.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Haruchai Khan
Doomheim
#58 - 2015-08-18 08:07:19 UTC
It is interesting that there appears to be more bile aimed at those who have been our benefactors, than is aimed at representatives of those who have enslaved us.

There are still many in the Republic that acknowledge and are deeply grateful for, the assistance and guidance of the Federation. I am one of those. Thank you.

As children grow and establish a sense of themselves as unique, it is not unusual for them to rebel against the parents that cared for them when they were vulnerable and dependent. That dependence is often seen as a burden, somehow an abnegation of their soaring sense of self. They say and do foolish things, sometimes hurtful things.

But once they are truly adult, they come to recognise the love and sacrifice of their parents - even if they do not adopt all their ways again.

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2015-08-18 08:18:49 UTC
There is a saying in Amarr Scripture.

"Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."

It is rather universal, and what the Federation has always been doing can also be akin of that I think...
The Leopardess
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2015-08-18 11:04:02 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
There is a saying in Amarr Scripture.

"Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."

It is rather universal, and what the Federation has always been doing can also be akin of that I think...


Like worshipping false Gods, that sort of thing? They have neither fidelity nor faithfulness towards the one true God.

Faithfulness is not merely blind belief. It is a contractual obligation, the marriage-like relationship between Amarr and the divine. There's a good reason we call them infidels. They have committed infidelity to the most high!

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