Warfare & Tactics

Pop the drone give the nestor a timer?

I have heard this is what croakroach does from croak and his friends myself, however unless there is a person who can draw navy aggression without being in galmil this is not what the gang in litiura was doing. There were only 2 gals in system and both were on gate, and both not being aggressed by the navy which was right there floating around.

In fact I know of a guy I've spoken to personally who regularly hunts opposing faction in their high sec solo on a day to day basis and his kill board is absolutely flooded with kills (~95% ships, isk, and point efficiency) and he makes billions off the stuff he kills.

You guys say it can't be done so it must be a timer related issue, but I held my cloak for like 20s before warping off and saw no aggression at all. You're either wrong or lying, but whatever, of course I don't have proof so I don't care, I use alts in highsec anyways.

Regardless, under the assumption that it is "clever gameplay" to lure the poorly done navy AI or use whatever other method, what is the purpose of the navy at all? If I can prevent the navy from doing ANYTHING in the system at all solo or with 1 alt/help then there is no reason to even have this feature in the game to begin with.

So you now agree it is possible to use some method to sit on a gate with hostile FW navy not aggressing you in enemy highsec without any friendly FW pilots in system? Just for clarification. Because the implication here:



Is that you are claiming this is not the case.

And I'm not complaining about anything, I'm getting to the bottom of your lies.

You're right, I didn't imply anything, I flat out said it in a way even peons couldn't possibly misunderstand.

And I don't know what part of "I've spoken to him personally" and "I've witnessed myself at gates" is hard for you to understand, but by all means feel free to leave the thread since you contribute nothing worthwhile anyways.

Bottom line here is that the faction navy is in the game for a seemingly specific reason, and they are not fulfilling that role. Period. "Clever gameplay" or not.

And the fact you think you are capable of educating anyone is laughable, you aren't a special snowflake buddy.

Oh boy you flew with some guy you think is good yes I can see how that makes you the eve online expert with a master's degree in spaceshipping. This is the reason I don't take you seriously.

You're the one who said yourself it can be done then mysteriously changed your mind when it didn't suit you any more.

And no, I never posted anything about the navy being invincible barrier to anything, making up **** I didn't say isn't making you look more credible.

Regardless of what role they are supposed to perform, they are not currently doing it.

Just because you have a low level of reading comprehension and got confused about something i said doesnt mean i actually said it lol. If you spoke to someone who amazingly admitted to using a bug to avoid all NPC aggro without the already sectioned methods, forward the chat log to CCP and let them ban the dude for not following the regular bug reporting process.

And as for NPC navies role, CCP disagrees with you. So as per all our previous discussions, i will again defer to CCPs clearly stated vision and intentions rather than your impression of what things should be like.

Stop whining about things that are working as intended, calling people cheaters when they arnt, using all the wrong terminology, being ignorant about almost everything then pretending to be an expert when its explained to you.

If something bothers you in game, make a post in Features and Ideas and outline what is wrong with the current mechanics and your vision of how it should work.

What you probably want to do is start a thread in the features and idea discussion about strengthening the faction navy rats (and how they respond) then, and the reasons why you would like that to happen (protect the poor newbro's in highsec). In addition you may want to bring it up with your CSM reps or mention it in the newfw slack channel (though, that has already been done).

- Than

Except this thread is just you and Crosi arguing back and forth whether it is an exploit or not, what an exploit is, etc. Not to mention you just disregarding other advice, such as the one Thanatos just gave.

You are either fishing for the exact method that is being used, or just trolling now. I suspect the latter. If I knew the exact method, I wouldn't say; because the tactic is much more fun when only a few know how it really works.

All ive said in this thread is that the known methods of evading NPC aggro, as described here, are not exploist by CCP's own definition of the term.

Im trying to help you articulate your point better and also pointed you to features and ideas which would be the proper place to constructively express ideas about how NPCs could better behave.

I havent said im pro or anti high sec ganking, or anything about the quality of the mechanics surrounding high sec npc aggro. Im just trying to temper your sperg posting so you arnt just calling people cheats and saying things are exploits without truly understanding the weight of the claims you are making based on ignorance and spurious anecdotes.