Crime & Punishment

Sorry about that.

"Poop"

How's that?

Oh, and I don't care if it's off your signature line... BFFL is for LIFE!

Dude,
you know I have massive amount of respect for you,
you taught me about half of what I know about hunting people in eve and my time doing so with you in lords was one of the best times I have had in gaming thus far by a fairly large margin.
I have no taste for an argument with you but I'll give my honest personal opinion and leave it at that.

Seeing you of all people advocate this, regardless of context, is quite saddening for me.

The idea of annexing the environment that I and many others (including you up until a couple of months ago)
have been enjoying, logging into, learning the nuances of, bonding as friends, creating our own achievements,
rivalries, storys,history's and communitys within, for null and turning what is left into a padded little nursery simply because null needs the numbers is both a tragic betrayal of the core values that keep myself and a lot of others playing in this sandbox

and a massive middle finger to everyone that made the informed and considered decision to live outside of null.

You lost your taste for high sec and it may as well feel over for you but a fairly large number of us are still very much dedicated to and skilled at ensuring the place is as dangerous as we can make it and have absolutely no interest in having our gameplay completely invalidated for that of null.


You fought that fight, louder than most , show some respect for the those of us still doing so.

I wasn't being dismissive in my previous assessment that you've assumed the same type of narrow-carebear-mentality that Lords has fought against from the beginning. On the contrary, it is you, who would impart your will on the galaxy to satisfy your own niche perspective at the expense of everyone else, that is being dismissive except that instead of one person's opinion being written off as invalid you would have us all suffer your version of "what is best" along the way. Veers has also championed for a similar version of High Sec that you're now advocating and you declared space jihad. (Remember that?)

Having said that, I also have a lot of respect for everything I've learned from you, and other senior DEVILS early on in my Eve career, but it's kinda hard to wrap my head around how trashed Null-Sec must be for you to have reached this point. As your friend, I want you to know that you should be glad I'm out of bottom-shelf vodka and that my smoke stained panda suit is in the cleaners... You're always welcome to crash on my couch if you're in the neighborhood; just be sure to bring tequila and your laptop - I'll give you deadspace warpins between rounds of anejo goodness. We can hug it out and reconcile these egregious sins.

Null-sec has a lot of potential and I hope CCP turns it around for you and the rest of your crew because you deserve the freedom to choose where and how you play... just like the rest of us.

It is hard to really pinpoint which post to reply to but I'll do my best to cover everything.

1. The idea of funneling everyone into null-sec by removing content in high-sec is in my opinion a horrible idea. Its the same death move when high-sec merc entities try to make a move to null-sec to have "good fights." When you recruit for high-sec, most of the players want to stay in high-sec.

2. Null-sec is not yet at a point in it's development where people can easily pack up in high-sec and easily live in null-sec. What is the major change here? Logistics. In high-sec a player can easily travel to one of the many hubs to buy their daily needs. If they are under a war dec they can effortlessly send their one million SP t1 hauler alt to pick up the items. This is very easy and a very important part of their gaming life. In low-sec and null-sec logistics has to be taken to a completely different complexity level to insure safety. The player now has to either make the items that they want(mining and industry= yuck) or they have to add ten million skill points to their alt and drop $125 US dollars on a new JF. Playing Eve shouldn't REQUIRE multiple accounts to have fun.

3. High-sec is the home of many null-sec players alts. It doesn't matter who you talk to in null-sec, most will admit to having alts in high-sec running incurions, trading, mining, mercing, industry, and logistics. You name it because someone in null-sec has a alt in high-sec doing it.

4. Making high-sec a green safety only part of space sounds interesting at first but in the end you are nerfing a large part of Eve's pvp community. I'd wager on a day to day basis high-sec and null-sec are very close when it comes to player ships destroyed by other players ships. RvB, CODE, Suspects, Criminals, Wars, and many many other reasons. Why stop the way people can throw sand at each other?

5. In my opinion null-sec is great for small gang pvp and content. I have said this many times so I will say it again; people in null-sec don't care about their ships like people do in high-sec. In high-sec losing a macherial is talked about whereas in null-sec it just happens. I do wish one day EVERY FORM of pvp can be discussed like that. Once people learn to let go of their killboard the sooner everyone will have more fun. Why do you think we all enjoy watching Lussy Lous's Videos, or Chessurs? They learned to let go and just have fun. Their fight videos are also done in null sec!

TLDR: I think everyone would like null-sec but using the stick is not the way, the Carrot is!

My mind is fcked after reading this.

I will say immediately that I can see where feyd is coming from, as we are currently sharing the ups and downs of the new sov system together. BL is honestly a great alliance to be part of, but by no means do I think that spans the entirety of what nullsec is. Ipsimus (our current primary FC and director of pointy sticks) is a stellar FC, and easily the best I have flown under. However, it would be folly to think that every newcomer to nullsec will enjoy the same confidence in their own cadre or enjoyment of the content they provide.

Now, I agree with meeting highsec income. Incursions should be removed completely... Or even better... Turned into LOWSEC areas during the incursion, and they should STAY THAT WAY until the incursion is completed by a fleet.

I also agree with shrinking highsec.

I don't agree with nerfing lowsec or wormholes ( wormholes are epic fun, and if anything, they should see a slight buff in income. Easily the most dangerous of anywhere in EVE.)

I also don't agree with removing wardecs or locking the safeties. It's just too much to remove for the content creators there that enjoy that style of play.

I'd use more of a carrot approach. Make manufacturing mods not anchorable in highsec. Get industry to move into LOWSEC, and we will start seeing players defend their mining fleets, setting up new trade hubs, things like that.

Watch C&P and/or F&I over the next few weeks for something from me on this. I've been slowly collating parts of plans proffered by others into something I think will work, but I'm still polishing it. I've put bits and pieces out there for reaction, but I'm hoping to condense it into something cohesive "soon".

What's different fundamentally now though is Fozzie et al doubled-down on 'local fights' as the new nullsec axiom. They will continue to make changes in support of that goal (and not roll back jump changes or provide fatigue-nerfing implants/mods to soften it).

This has already resulted in many null groups shrinking their areas of operations, and leaving an empty (for the most part) nullsec even more empty than before. These entities now don't venture far afield to get fights, because someone can come in behind and take their sov.

Worse, this now empty space is *not* being gobbled up in a gold-rush land-grab by people from losec or hisec, making the situation worse. When someone does try to take it (Brave Newbies), they get roflstomped by bastards like us who are hungry for content, any content.

The problem however is that with this new sov model you *must* have a land/gold rush, of new entrants from hisec or losec swarming the zone to get established and survive. .

I'm not saying EvE is dying (yet), but nullsec warfare is the beating heart of EvE online, the blood on the sand of the Colleseum in Rome, and if that heart withers EvE is in deep pooh pooh imho. It's withering, while 72% of EvE players remain in hisec.

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Brave didn't leave null because of capital warfare. While they certainly would have been at a disadvantage, we only escalated to caps when forced. Most of our fights were subcaps hashing it out. And they were getting good. Honestly if they had stuck with it, they may have ended up kicking us out. Brave are not terrible at fighting, and they aren't noobs.

I can see why they say that... Let me give an example.

Brave outnumbered BL around 5-1 in most fleet actions I attended. Our primary doctrine was tengus of various fits or gilas , depending on what they brought.

Typically, we saw moa fleets, which we stayed in tengus for. On occasion, brave would decide to upship into apocalypse or w/e, and we would drop a triage so we didn't all diaf. We aren't gonna willingly lose the fight of 50 tengus vs 50 apocs with logi. So yes, at that point it became about caps, but it was essentially their call. A tough spot to be in, but that's the reality of fighting an established entity in null.

I must admit that this is an interesting idea. Higher ship costs, but much better insurance to cover more of the loss.


Hmm......