Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Commands ships are Tech 2 BCs right? Then why do they only have ONE role bonus? Why can they only fit 2 warfare links when they have bonuses for 3? Even though CSs have higher base Cap buffer then HACS, they have much slower cap recharge rate, why? All BC class can use MMJD, but shouldn't the CS get bonuses to use these modules for being T2 Ships? I have all these grievances against CS for lacking so much for having such a ridiculous long training time, that it makes me wonder if I was the only one foolish enough to train for them before their training requisites changed. Maybe I was thinking that somewhere down the line that CCP would continue the SHIPS rebalance and remember that CSs are indeed T2 BCs (not T1.5 BCs) Hence I have come up with a proper power balance for these ships that would justify their ridiculous lengthy training time.

Reduce all CSs weapon hardpoints from 5 to 4, so that they would viably fit 3 warfare links instead of only just 2.

Increase all cap recharge rate on all CSs by additional 25% (37.5% for the Absolution for obvious reasons)

Add two additional role bonuses: a 70% reduction in MMJD reactivation delay and a 75% bonus to racial weapon system rate of fire. Or a 100% bonus to racial weapon system damage.

The big picture would look like this:

Absolution
Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret Optimal Range
3% bonus to Armored Warfare and Information Warfare Links effectiveness
Amarr Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level):
10% reduction in Medium Energy Turret activation cost
4% bonus to all armor resistances
Role Bonus:
• Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
* 70% reduction in MMJD reactivation delay
* 75% bonus to Medium Energy Turret rate of fire

Damnation
Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to ship capacitor recharge rate
10% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile damage
3% bonus to Armored Warfare and Information Warfare Links effectiveness
Amarr Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile max velocity
4% bonus to all armor resistances
Role Bonus:
• Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
* 70% reduction in MMJD reactivation delay
* 75% bonus to Medium Missile Launcher rate of fire

Astarte
Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):
7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff
3% bonus to Armored Warfare and Skirmish Warfare Links effectiveness
Gallente Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level):
7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret tracking speed
7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer amount
Role Bonus:
• Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
* 70% reduction in MMJD reactivation delay
* 75% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret rate of fire

Eos
Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):
7.5% bonus to Heavy Drone max velocity and tracking speed
7.5% bonus to Sentry Drone optimal range and tracking speed
3% bonus to Armored Warfare and Skirmish Warfare Links effectiveness
Gallente Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage
7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer amount
Role Bonus:
• Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
* 70% reduction in MMJD reactivation delay
* 75% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret rate of fire

Sleipnir
Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff
3% bonus to Siege Warfare and Skirmish Warfare Links effectiveness
Minmatar Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level):
7.5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret tracking speed
7.5% bonus to Shield Booster amount
Role Bonus:
• Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
* 70% reduction in MMJD reactivation delay
* 75% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire

Claymore
Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):
7.5% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile Launcher flight time
5% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile explosion velocity
3% bonus to Siege Warfare and Skirmish Warfare Links effectiveness
Minmatar Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile Launcher rate of fire
7.5% bonus to Shield Booster amount
Role Bonus:
• Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
* 70% reduction in MMJD reactivation delay
* 75% bonus to Medium Missile Launcher rate of fire

Vulture
Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret optimal range
7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage OR tracking speed
3% bonus to Siege Warfare and Information Warfare Links effectiveness
Caldari Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret optimal range
4% bonus to all shield resistances
Role Bonus:
• Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
* 70% reduction in MMJD reactivation delay
* 75% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret rate of fire

Nighthawk
Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile Launcher damage
5% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile explosion radius
3% bonus to Siege Warfare and Information Warfare Links effectiveness
Caldari Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile max velocity
4% bonus to all shield resistances
Role Bonus:
• Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
* 70% reduction in MMJD reactivation delay
* 75% bonus to Medium Missile Launcher rate of fire

These are my propose changes for the Command Ships. Not all may be great, but would hopefully encourage further input to balance the skills out where needed.

Sure, I'll take that. RLMLs will be just insane...

I agree, if you're looking to mix boosting with fighting then you're going to have less of both, you can't expect to be a fleet booster and a high dps ship simultaneously.

Training time isn't an issue for Command Ships.
Assuming a balanced map they are actually very good, the problem is attributes causing min max towards ships & weapons which then slows down the CS pre-reqs. Nothing to do with the skill multipliers and the skills make perfect sense.

Yep....pick a poison here.

The people its boosting should be the muscle as it were for the CS if loading up the links. Or if needed as muscle....no/limited links and have at it.

Also not digging the mjd bonus. Sounds like the CS is trying to avoid dying. While not a link boat must burn zealot (will admit I love it when my booster is making the day go much better lol)....I do not shed tears when they die either. Think the idea here was to make them more approachable to kill.

For the force multiplier they can be CS should have some pita factors associated with take away really.

T3 to run more than 1 link needs some extra time for the mod to do that. Not much of a tradeoff but it is there kind of.

At least ccp made the bonuses favor CS at some point. Back in the day....yeah....cs was a hard sell really. for linking anyway, sleipnir I know was liked more for its combat ability. As I recall, it was, and may still be but not sure, preferred over the most pimp loki you can think of iirc.

Commandships are fine, nerf T3.

I already did, but his focus is mainly on T1 & Faction BCs, not CSs.

A commandship should be a fleetboostingship that is on grid and it sacrifces its combat abilities for the huge boost it gives to the fleet
The shield commandships need a way to gain another 200k ehp so they are not volleyed of the field.

The last thing I fit on a commandship as a booster is a weapon there are, smartbombs, probelaunchers, cynos, entosis links and auto targeters(for more locked targets)
Commandships do not need more firepower.

I pretty much agree with everything here. CCP might consider reducing the leadership prerequisites to train the Command Ships skill to Level IV, but I know they intended to make it a long skill train to get into Command Ships.