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Should High sec go away?
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#261 - 2015-08-16 20:26:55 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Posts like this is why it should cost a PLEX to start a topic.

As if plex prices aren't inflating enough :P
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#262 - 2015-08-16 20:33:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kinete Jenius wrote:
So even when I take the number you provide you still call it dead wrong just because I"m the one that said it.
No.

When you take the number I provide — the correct one — and then try to make it sound as if is the same as the one you initially said — the wrong one — I'm going to keep saying that you are wrong. Only now I do it both because you initial number was laughably wrong, and because you are trying to cover up that bit of ignorance in such a laughably incorrect way. I'm not calling it dead wrong “because [you're] the one that said it”; I'm calling it wrong because what you said was wrong, and because you're now trying to obfuscate what you actually said because you realised how wrong you were.

Only when you take the number I provide and say “oh, I was wrong” will I stop calling you wrong.

Oh, and when you do that, could you please also cough up the 1k+ DPS T1 cruiser fit?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#263 - 2015-08-16 20:34:15 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Posts like this is why it should cost a PLEX to start a topic.

As if plex prices aren't inflating enough :P


Not if you're selling, they're not.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#264 - 2015-08-16 20:41:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
admiral root wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Posts like this is why it should cost a PLEX to start a topic.

As if plex prices aren't inflating enough :P


Not if you're selling, they're not.

Fair point. But 15 bucks a post seems a bit steep you must admit.

Tippia wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
So even when I take the number you provide you still call it dead wrong just because I"m the one that said it.
No.

When you take the number I provide — the correct one — and then try to make it sound as if is the same as the one you initially said — the wrong one — I'm going to keep saying that you are wrong. Only now I do it both because you initial number was laughably wrong, and because you are trying to cover up that bit of ignorance in such a laughably incorrect way. I'm not calling it dead wrong “because [you're] the one that said it”; I'm calling it wrong because what you said was wrong, and because you're now trying to obfuscate what you actually said because you realised how wrong you were.

Only when you take the number I provide and say “oh, I was wrong” will I stop calling you wrong.

Oh, and when you do that, could you please also cough up the 1k+ DPS T1 cruiser fit?
Your number only proved my point to be correct. The fact that you can't see such a blindingly obvious concept is proof that you're being intentionally dishonest. There is nothing to be gained from discussing anything in such a situation.

Do keep in mind there was no isk value limit placed on said cruiser build. If you can't figure it out I might post some builds for you after work if I'm bored.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#265 - 2015-08-16 20:44:32 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Posts like this is why it should cost a PLEX to start a topic.

As if plex prices aren't inflating enough :P


Not if you're selling, they're not.

Fair point. But 15 bucks a post seems a bit steep you must admit.


He said to start a thread, not to post. You have to admit, it'd be worth it to raise the standard a little, or they could go with La Nariz's suggestion about banning NPCs from posting.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#266 - 2015-08-16 20:48:21 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Posts like this is why it should cost a PLEX to start a topic.

As if plex prices aren't inflating enough :P


Not if you're selling, they're not.

Fair point. But 15 bucks a post seems a bit steep you must admit.


He said to start a thread, not to post. You have to admit, it'd be worth it to raise the standard a little, or they could go with La Nariz's suggestion about banning NPCs from posting.

Newbies trying to get help and the fact that corp management takes >9 minutes to train on an alt would limit the effectiveness of such a plan. I guess the cost of creating the corporation might have some effect.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#267 - 2015-08-16 20:57:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Your number only proved my point to be correct.
Not really, no, since your entire point hinged on there being a one-month difference in training time between the skills. To wit: “My point was that going BC IV is over a month less in training compared to BS IV.”

We both know you were wrong. If you want to just own up to it and change your stance now, rather than try to make up some transparent lie about how it was what you meant all along, then that's fine, but just accept the simple fact of the matter: you were laughably wrong.

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There is nothing to be gained from discussing anything in such a situation.
I'm not discussing it. I'm pointing out the fact of the matter: you were wrong. Lying about what you said after the fact doesn't make you any less wrong — quite the opposite.

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Do keep in mind there was no isk value limit placed on said cruiser build.
Actually, there was. You were just so desperate about trying to invent some nonsense that you missed it… See if you can spot it this time.
Rayne Jupiter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#268 - 2015-08-16 20:57:52 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
What an idiotic idea.

Veteran players are extremely bias to ideas like this. Being close to or at the meta level it is easy for them to survive in a dog eat dog environment. But what of the new pilots? Do not get me wrong I enjoy PvP across multiple genre's. I would love to get out there now and start blowing up ships. However, EVE is not a game where you can just jump straight into PvP and yield positive results. EVE is a very complex game with a plethora of aspects dictating a ships efficiency in combat. New players need time to interpret the wealth of information EVE has to offer. On top of learning ship mechanics; optimal and fall-off ranges; damage types; resistances; shield, armor, and speed tanking; cloak mechanics; d-scanning; drone mechanics; (my eyes are already crossing); players have to train essential skills to Level 5, which could take anywhere from 6 months to a year. PvP in EVE is calculated and proactive, reaction time and quick thinking play a small part in determining victory or defeat. High sec offers a semi safe environment where rookie pilots can experiment and discover. I am confident a lot of miners would love to get out there and do some killing. After all outsmarting another person on equal ground is such a great feeling! Yet, the risk vs. reward of PvP isn't worth it for newer pilots. Want to get some more action? Help mentor and coach new pilots! Find ways to contribute to a players PvP confidence. Too lazy to do a little hand holding? Shut up and wait for us newer pilots to catch up!


What an idiotic post.

Had you bothered to read the thread before posting, you would have seen that many of the players who ridicule the idea of removing highsec are those same veteran players you mentioned.


Nope, all veteran players completely bias!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#269 - 2015-08-16 21:05:10 UTC
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
Nope, all veteran players completely bias!

Would you like some verb-and-adjective dressing for your word salad?
Rayne Jupiter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#270 - 2015-08-16 21:12:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
Nope, all veteran players completely bias!

Would you like some verb-and-adjective dressing for your word salad?


Nope, all veteran players are completely biased in regards to removing high-sec. Better? I still feel something is missing.
English composition was never my forte, I had to take it twice D:

Would you like some advice on losing your virginity?
Zihao
Doomheim
#271 - 2015-08-16 21:15:37 UTC
I too would prefer fewer high security systems... more low and nullsec relic sites please!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#272 - 2015-08-16 21:19:28 UTC
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
Nope, all veteran players are completely biased in regards to removing high-sec. Better?
Only in the sense that the necessary words and the right forms are there — you're no longer confusing a noun (or possibly a verb) for an adjective. The message is still as silly and bad as ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#273 - 2015-08-16 21:19:45 UTC
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
Nope, all veteran players completely bias!

Would you like some verb-and-adjective dressing for your word salad?


Nope, all veteran players are completely biased in regards to removing high-sec. Better? I still feel something is missing.
English composition was never my forte, I had to take it twice D:

Would you like some advice on losing your virginity?


Oh, this ought to be good. Popcorn time for the second time today.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Rayne Jupiter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#274 - 2015-08-16 21:27:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
Nope, all veteran players are completely biased in regards to removing high-sec. Better?
Only in the sense that the necessary words and the right forms are there — you're no longer confusing a noun (or possibly a verb) for an adjective. The message is still as silly and bad as ever.


Oh man, how is my sentence silly/bad? How would you right the sentence?
/faceplam You never going to get laid if you continue to act so condescending!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#275 - 2015-08-16 21:29:49 UTC
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
Oh man, how is my sentence silly/bad?
It contains an unspecified, faulty, and ultimately pointless generalisation.
Rayne Jupiter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#276 - 2015-08-16 21:39:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
Oh man, how is my sentence silly/bad?
It contains an unspecified, faulty, and ultimately pointless generalisation.


I can see how the sentence could be a misinterpretation, but I take issue with your claim of it being unspecified and pointless. The sentence is relevant to this topic and specificity is given to the sentence by the words "high-sec" and "veteran".

Have you seen the movie 40 Year Old Virgin?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#277 - 2015-08-16 21:47:53 UTC
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
I can see how the sentence could be a misinterpretation, but I take issue with your claim of it being unspecified and pointless.
It's unspecified because you've not specified the nature of the supposed bias, and it is pointless because of its sweeping nature. There is no such thing as a coherent “veteran sentiment”, so accusing that heterogenous group of being biased is the same as saying that everyone is biased, which in turn means it no longer says anything worthwhile about anything.

…and that's before we even get into the issue with actually demonstrating whatever bias you wish to assign to this group.
Rayne Jupiter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#278 - 2015-08-16 22:14:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
I can see how the sentence could be a misinterpretation, but I take issue with your claim of it being unspecified and pointless.
It's unspecified because you've not specified the nature of the supposed bias, and it is pointless because of its sweeping nature. There is no such thing as a coherent “veteran sentiment”, so accusing that heterogenous group of being biased is the same as saying that everyone is biased, which in turn means it no longer says anything worthwhile about anything.

…and that's before we even get into the issue with actually demonstrating whatever bias you wish to assign to this group.



Jesus! Thank goodness for google. I think your rebuttal is tad bit convoluted. I don't know if your are trying to appear cool and witty by using such big words, but its not going to help you get laid.
Saying "veteran player" is not the same as saying "everyone" as both have completely different definitions. While there is no solid division that determines when someone can be considered to be a veteran; the term does encompass a group of individuals that have a long experience with the game. Before you say long is a generalization just know its the time period after short, I guess.

I think you have two problems;
you lack the ability to think in abstract;
and you possess a lot of sexual tension.

PS: I have to meet someone for lunch. I will have to postpone this grammar lesson.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#279 - 2015-08-16 22:21:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Rayne Jupiter wrote:
Saying "veteran player" is not the same as saying "everyone" as both have completely different definitions.
It is when you make such a sweeping generalisation about an inherently heterogenous group.
The only way for your assertion to have any meaning is if you're saying that everyone has some kind of bias, which rather makes it a pointless observation. It tells us nothing.

You lack specificity, and if you add some, your statement will either become untrue or largely irrelevant.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#280 - 2015-08-16 23:01:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
So even when I take the number you provide you still call it dead wrong just because I"m the one that said it.
No.

When you take the number I provide — the correct one — and then try to make it sound as if is the same as the one you initially said — the wrong one — I'm going to keep saying that you are wrong. Only now I do it both because you initial number was laughably wrong, and because you are trying to cover up that bit of ignorance in such a laughably incorrect way. I'm not calling it dead wrong “because [you're] the one that said it”; I'm calling it wrong because what you said was wrong, and because you're now trying to obfuscate what you actually said because you realised how wrong you were.

Only when you take the number I provide and say “oh, I was wrong” will I stop calling you wrong.

Oh, and when you do that, could you please also cough up the 1k+ DPS T1 cruiser fit?



Not to be a jerk, wouldn't want to step on your toes in that department.

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And if you meant T1 modules, the best named weapons upgrades, two T1 rigs and T1 drones gets you to 960dps before implants.

So yes, technically it is relatively easy to get to 1000dps on a T1 cruiser.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.