Jita Park Speakers Corner

Missions used to sometimes spawn a couple of 100km off of gates. It was pretty cool as a newbie to be traveling through a busy area and see a couple of ravens chucking missiles at 20+ battleships. This was before canstealing aggression and salvage too but the mission runners still whined because once in every 100 or so level 4s someone would come up and remote rep the rats.

Yep, almost 90% of players interacting with players in EVE sucks ***ss .... just like real life .... but a little too much like real life, since why would I want to pay to play a game that is just as bad as real life?

Luckily the other 10% is better than real life ....

It's pretty difficult to find anyone you can actually trust in EVE .... would be nice if there was a better way ... just not sure if there is.

It is not hard to find people you can trust. I've been in a lot of corps since I started playing EVE and I have not been scammed once.

Don't trust some unknown guy in local, but your corpmates in general are ok. (Unless you've been in some really ****** corps)

Oh I get it ... you're a scammer trying to get us to trust you, aren't you? :) hehehe

Yeah in general I bet most people CAN be trusted ... but in practice, you have to assume NO ONE can ... including corp recruiting.

Trust in EvE has to be earned. Whoever gives it away freely is just asking to be scammed.

And yes, I myself trust my corp mates only as far as I can set up a contract and expect them to accept it, though I usually do keep my promise once given. Which is rare enough.

This thread is nothing mroe than a joke if not an insult to what EVE is really about.

It's all good and fine to stand on your soap box and yell "republic republic republic" in defense of the newbies...but lets face the facts here shall we?


1: EVE Online is a game that encourages you to be a total scumbag...and have fun. That means theft....treason..spying...backstabbing...scamming...etc.

Outside of breaking EULA and cheating...you can pretty much do what you want and get away with it and the worst that could happen is you end up trashing toon when the jig is up if you will.

2: This game is harsh...its not freaking kindergarden WOW...it wasn't designed to be...it takes you hours just to leern to fly your ship...and months to master aspects of the game...you can't just sit down and dive into....lesson number 2 if not 3 is simply this...you can't trust everyone you meet...that general impresion ring strong (scamming..can flipping..etc)

3: High Sec is not newbie playground...its high sec....a place where CONCORD polices players and provides some but not all forms of protection against most problems/issues...protection that is faulty as its easily manipulated.


You want a solution?

Its not the game.

take a long good look in the mirror.


Its the player...startnig with you yourself....stop lying to youself and proclaiming defense of newbie experince and get this straight.....what you do in the game...how you behave..how you fly..how you communicate has an impact on the experince.

EVE encourages the darker side of people to cmoe out and play...and most people just can't handle that.

Do you honestly want eve to become more hello kitty-ized and less EVE?

That is the real lynchpin in your "argument"


Socail interaction my ass....you got local...and everything else.

They dont interact because your gonna be qucik to shove a knife in their back....

Best defense..join a corporation....dive into the deep end of the pool...learn....get experince....adapt...or die.

PS: I'm not saying we change how we play...stopping the nastieness that people love to do. Waht I'm saying here is your splashing buckets of water on napalm thats been lit with galleons of gas being dumped on it...by your own hands. To argue such things is hypocracy...and in effect..you shoot your own head off. The only way to get people to stick around is to teach them..not just greif and laugh. All to often people emo-rage-quit becuase nobody thinks about that..they just want the lol's...rightfully so...but it comes down to you...the indivual who RESPONDS to the newbie...not the other way around.

End of discussion as far as I'm concerned.

It's been growing steadily for nearly 10 years at this point (well, sans Incarna being the black spot on the trend). Seems they're doing something right.

Fact of the matter is, you cannot not have PvP interaction in EVE. Yes, you can avoid PVP Combat ... but there's so much more PvP interaction than shooting the other guy in the face.

Mining your home system clean daily
Dropping (offline) towers on every available moon in a 0.5 system
The market
Salvaging
Manufacturing (see: The Market)
Research and Development (i.e. BPO ME/PE)
Contracts
Scamming
etc ...

layoffs were because CCP re-structured their business model after realising another patch like Incarna was more likely to lead to 100% layoffs than ~excellence~.

So, assuming that CCP sticks to their "new direction" (which is amusing, because it's their "old direction"), we'll continue to see the trend in subs come back (i.e. steady growth). Same goes for Dust -- it'll probably have slow, steady growth as opposed to 10 million people playing all the time (or whatever CoD and MW can boast).

As for the game being "Bully or be bullied" -- I think you're wrong there too. Sure, it happens a fair bit -- but I think the real problem is the "victim mentality" and the general lack of ties you find in empire corporations (generally because stuff is so easy to do alone).

Incursion running is helping a bit -- it forces people to work together a LOT more than you would normally see in a hisec-based corporation. I don't know your experience with hisec corporations, though I'm going to assume that "Takara" is a forum alt, and that you're more familiar with low or null.

Hisec corps will generally be built around good ideas ... but will utterly fail at pulling them off -- there is rarely a sense of camaraderie beyond "we're in the same chat channels". The hisec "mining/missioning" corps I've been part of will generally have people all over the place because they want to run with better agents or something, rather than risk lower ISK/hour and stay together. Furthermore, It's hard getting people to want to put their stupidly overpriced mission runner or mining barge away for a week to jump in and help in a wardec (in FREE ships provided by the corporation, no less). Usually the corp will bleed members, and simply failscade after getting dec'd.

Yes, I agree that the people who were let go could have potentially been used to turn CCP around -- but IIRC, it was the community people and WoD people who were mainly done away with, as their positions became "redundant" as part of the restructuring.

You're right about the "cult of the bully" too, though I think that as the "cult of the victim" crowd diminishes, the bully crowd will diminish as well (since even the little guys are OK with stepping it up and protecting themselves).

Personally, I think one of the better ways to fix this involves changing CONCORD a little bit in 0.5 (maybe even in 0.6) so that you can protect your miners or whatever, and not get concorded immediately for doing so.

Something like this -- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=507929#post507929 (post #9) ... actually, I think you even mentioned liking that a bit somewhere else in that thread.

trust? in my eve?

I take this as the tl;dr version:

"I don't want to take time to scan down missions to ninja salvage, and I think I found a new way to say that while trying to sound like I am looking out for newbies."