EVE General Discussion

Have you ever seen a car that's been patched up with duct tape and then painted with a roller? They're 20 footers, they look ok from 20 feet and end up looking very Minmatar up close.

I know this, I've owned several examples, some of them older than I am.

Exactly. I'd quit faster than you could say "stick it in yer ass"... I'd Biomass with ALL my ISK and Gear too. 200 Billion ISK gone down the Dumper...

Some cruisers can easily reach battleship level of DPS. Especially in a PVE situation where tank can be minimized to one module. All you've proven is that cruisers can also reach BS level dps albeit at a much higher cost than a catalyst.

Engagement envelope is irrelevant as it is trivially easy to get a warp in directly on top of my targets. *Hint* cloak

/facepalm. Are you really trying to be this dense? Is it just an act to try to troll me now? Or is this some secret plan to somehow "win" the forums?

My point was that going BC IV is over a month less in training compared to BS IV. That is supporting evidence of my statement that it's easier than before to get into ganking. When I trained my current set of gank alts I would of had to buy 24 more plexes for dual training if I had to go to BS IV like in the old days. Fortunately the pocket battleships allowed me to stick to BC IV and save time and isk in the process while still pumping up some dps related skills.


Exactly the whole number being the original value and the fraction of the whole number being the new value. You're really trying too hard at this.

*shakes head sadly and gives up.

No, he hasn't. That's some nonsense you've made up. Neither destroyers nor cruisers have battleships DPS unless the battleship is absolutely shitfit, especially not PvE fit cruisers since they generally need the DPS-enhancing slots to survive.

The only a handful of ways for you to come to anything remotely like that conclusion: you are not actually looking at the T1 cruisers in question, or you are not familiar with battleships and what they're capable of. The latter notion is further reinforced by…

Your point is wrong. Hilariously, laughably wrong. It's a difference of 139k SP between those two skills — not even three days worth of training in total. His point was that at BS III, the only real difference is the BS skill itself. It's not him being dense here; it's you not knowing what the skill tree looks like, and it's you that suddenly changed the parameters just to try (and utterly fail) to disprove what he said.

Oh, you mean the module that a gank ship can't really use, especially not to warp in directly on someone, due to its adverse effects on the ship's combat capability? So yeah, engagement envelope is relevant.

You know, the more you try to argue in favour of your “point”, the more you demonstrate that you aren't actually familiar with the any of the things you're talking about. You don't understand the concept of free; you don't understand what destroyers, cruisers, or battleships can do; you don't understand the skill system; you don't understand how cloaks work; and…

So you didn't actually mean to use the phrase “a fraction of” then. You meant to say “a sliver less”, or you'd be wrong about this too and we can add “English idioms” to the list of things you aren't familiar with.

Duct tape is Hull tanking. Rustoleum is Armor Tanking.

What an idiotic idea.

Veteran players are extremely bias to ideas like this. Being close to or at the meta level it is easy for them to survive in a dog eat dog environment. But what of the new pilots? Do not get me wrong I enjoy PvP across multiple genre's. I would love to get out there now and start blowing up ships. However, EVE is not a game where you can just jump straight into PvP and yield positive results. EVE is a very complex game with a plethora of aspects dictating a ships efficiency in combat. New players need time to interpret the wealth of information EVE has to offer. On top of learning ship mechanics; optimal and fall-off ranges; damage types; resistances; shield, armor, and speed tanking; cloak mechanics; d-scanning; drone mechanics; (my eyes are already crossing); players have to train essential skills to Level 5, which could take anywhere from 6 months to a year. PvP in EVE is calculated and proactive, reaction time and quick thinking play a small part in determining victory or defeat. High sec offers a semi safe environment where rookie pilots can experiment and discover. I am confident a lot of miners would love to get out there and do some killing. After all outsmarting another person on equal ground is such a great feeling! Yet, the risk vs. reward of PvP isn't worth it for newer pilots. Want to get some more action? Help mentor and coach new pilots! Find ways to contribute to a players PvP confidence. Too lazy to do a little hand holding? Shut up and wait for us newer pilots to catch up!

Not that I care about any of this nonsense, but you have to consider the guns/missiles as well when moving from cruiser/BC to BS (excluding the BCs that fit BS guns). Just sayin....like, I said, don't care at all, but it isn't just the one skill to look at...

I like how you're utterly confident at telling me I'm wrong without actually ever defining anything. Battleships of old were considered to be doing well to be +750 DPS. Catalysts can reach +760 dps today. I have cruisers that do +1000 dps which is enough to hang with the current level of battleship dps. Since we have been talking about the OLD gank battleship setups from +5 years ago (when the insurance payout existed) those are the only numbers that are relevant. Comparing the gank ships to modern battleships that have gone through rounds of buffs piloted with characters that have skills and modules that didn't exist then with implants that didn't exist then isn't part of the discussion.

In PVE gank is tank. The more dps you have the less tank you can run.


Yeah 3 days of extra training that could be used for more effective dps increasing skills. When you're spending extra isk to train your alt or taking days off from your main to train a gank alt those 3 days matter greatly. Also as I stated earlier getting to BC IV is far faster and easier than BS IV this receiving an extra dps boost not available nearly as easily at the BS level. It's like your ego can't take the fact that I'm right that pocket battleships makes it easier to get into ganking.

To break it down. If you had a job that took you 10 hours to do normally and suddenly one day the job was cut down to 7 hours worth of the same work you would call that work day easier.


Oh for god's sake there's no reason for you to be pretending to be stupid. You know damned well the organized that gank groups all the way down to the miner ganker in the back woods of eve will use a ship for a warp in point.

You're going full on trump here. Just because you say stuff doesn't make it true.

Here's the only screen shot I have of the last big gank I did.

http://i.imgur.com/xqun1ST.jpg

If only I had actual experience with battleships in a fleet either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ4LByLY5T4

This leaves you with only your word on your capabilities and experience.

I meant exactly what I said and what I said was correct. Your insistence on turning it into some sort of false statement just shows how desperate you are to attack me.

So even when I take the number you provide you still call it dead wrong just because I"m the one that said it.

You're hilariously awful and I see no reason to continue this discussion with an individual that has no regard for facts.