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Reduce the Character Transfer Fee

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Leisha Miranen
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-08-15 06:22:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Leisha Miranen
Six months ago I wouldn't have said this were an issue. However, CCP keeps adding new functions for Plex, and making the SKINs aurum based has served to inflate the cost of PLEX even more. Since my joining they have gone from 600mil to now over 1bil.

As a result I think the character transfer fee should be reduced from 2 plex to 1 plex, as character transfer now is almost double the cost of what it used to be ISK-wise.

EDIT: Since it wasn't clear, the reason for this is not to reduce demand for PLEX (I doubt it will affect that significantly). It is to reduce character transfer cost, which has become prohibitively high.
Madd Adda
#2 - 2015-08-15 06:47:28 UTC
supply and demand. even if this were to be done, it wouldn't decrease the plex price for long.

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Leisha Miranen
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-08-15 06:49:33 UTC
Madd Adda wrote:
supply and demand. even if this were to be done, it wouldn't decrease the plex price for long.


I don't intend it to decrease the price for plex - I mean to reduce the price of character transfer because it has become prohibitively high. I don't think reducing the transfer fee would have a significant effect on plex price, character transfers probably account for a very small fraction of plex usage.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-08-15 08:43:03 UTC
CCP doesn't control the market prices of PLEX...

What if the prices for PLEX suddenly goes down? Does CCP then increase the required PLEX to two again?

I bet it is annoying that it cost so much, but I guess that is just the price you got to pay.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#5 - 2015-08-15 08:45:26 UTC
The market for plex is not defined by the gimmicky bullshit its defined by the people who want to plex their accounts... And lets face it most eve players can plex their account if they want to...

Even if they went up to like 3.5b or something i dont think that would stop MANY people from plexxing...
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2015-08-15 13:08:56 UTC
If buying plex from the in game market was the only way you could get them I might agree with you on the cost reduction.
However you can buy plex from CCP and the price is not affected by the idiosyncrasies of the games market.
Currently that character transfer would cost you about $35.00 USD and that does not seem over priced for the service rendered.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#7 - 2015-08-15 15:30:23 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Currently that character transfer would cost you about $35.00 USD and that does not seem over priced for the service rendered.
That seems extremely overpriced to me based on the value of that service. I don't think the transfer cost has to do with value of the service though. If I'm not mistaken it's put in place to limit transferring characters around between accounts. You can imagine how often that would happen if there was no transfer cost.

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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#8 - 2015-08-15 16:37:42 UTC
You could always just pay $20 and not worry about the price of PLEX
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#9 - 2015-08-15 16:45:26 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
CCP doesn't control the market prices of PLEX...


This part made me chuckle a bit. Yes, CCP does have a good say on what the price of PLEX is. This can be proven if CCP were to either halve or double the price of PLEX on their part for lets say at least 1 month or longer. This would directly affect the supply of PLEX, which will affect the price.

I don't think the current PLEX system is in a healthy place right now because its the only item in the game that cannot be produced by the players on the in game level (Other then AURUM, but PLEX is directly related to AURUM, so its the same thing). This means that people who manipulate the plex market have a very low risk compared to any other item in the game, because there is always the risk of someone producing the item in game and undercutting them.

Really the only real risk to these guys is the occasional weekend sale or the Amazon PLEX sale screwup. But these events/screwups do not last long enough to have an affect on the market for more then a few days.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#10 - 2015-08-15 18:01:06 UTC
Just pay the $20. You can earn $20 IRL faster than you can earn even 1 plex doing anything in game.
Leisha Miranen
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-08-15 19:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Leisha Miranen
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Currently that character transfer would cost you about $35.00 USD and that does not seem over priced for the service rendered.
That seems extremely overpriced to me based on the value of that service. I don't think the transfer cost has to do with value of the service though. If I'm not mistaken it's put in place to limit transferring characters around between accounts. You can imagine how often that would happen if there was no transfer cost.


^^ this.

And for those people whining about my suggestion, you are correct- $20 would be totally fine - but that figure you suggested as being reasonable ($20) is equivalent to one plex, which is exactly what I suggested it be reduced to. The real current cost is closer to $40 (well for me - it is $35 in USD), which is not reasonable.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#12 - 2015-08-16 00:02:16 UTC
If the service is not worth your time or money, you don't have to do it.

This is supply and demand.

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-08-16 02:08:45 UTC
The OP says the price has become too high. The real money price hasn't much changed (RIP Ruble). So only the ISk price has. So we are back to,"PLEX are to expensive" thread.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-08-16 15:18:44 UTC
CCP controls price of the PLEX cause it's price tag made by them. CCP is the initial source of PLEX, similar to FR who is printing $.

lol @ Rowell's comment... RIP dolla China said...

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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#15 - 2015-08-16 17:09:27 UTC
I have transfered around 130 chars in the last 3 years...

And I have never paid with something else than 2x PLEX per transfer.

Why should the transfer cost be reduced? It is your job as buyer / seller to negotiate the price of a toon.

If you lose ISK, it is not CCP`s mistake, it is yours.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-08-16 23:27:37 UTC
HandelsPharmi wrote:
I have transfered around 130 chars in the last 3 years...

And I have never paid with something else than 2x PLEX per transfer.

Why should the transfer cost be reduced? It is your job as buyer / seller to negotiate the price of a toon.

If you lose ISK, it is not CCP`s mistake, it is yours.


In the last 3 years PLEX has added twice in terms of money. For example if we had an option to pay isk instead of real cash or PLEX. In this case ccp had to set up similar constant ammount of isk to be paid for transfer. So it is direct ccp responsability that character transfer costs twice higher in terms of money vs. we paid three years before current PLEX price tag.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-08-16 23:46:21 UTC
I have a better idea....roll back to character transfer being a RL money transaction. The way it used to be.

Removes plex from the whole equation.


As I recall this was actually more "fair"...not even going to discuss plexonomics lol. Seem to recall my power of 2 deals saved enough on the 6 month run to have me break even, or not complain too much at any rate, on the RL money spent on transfer to the main account when done. As I recall this how the main account loaded up 2 specialized alt trains for reasonable costs on 2 PO2 cycles.
Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross
Unreasonable Bastards
#18 - 2015-08-17 00:18:29 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:

In the last 3 years PLEX has added twice in terms of money. For example if we had an option to pay isk instead of real cash or PLEX. In this case ccp had to set up similar constant ammount of isk to be paid for transfer. So it is direct ccp responsability that character transfer costs twice higher in terms of money vs. we paid three years before current PLEX price tag.


^^