EVE General Discussion

God, you couldn't sound more juvenile if you tried.


Just to set the record straight, WiS wasn't abandoned. Work on it has been temporally postponed.

Whether you like it or not, CCP isn't going to abandon or remove WiS. Eventually more WiS content (Establishments, Character Interaction, etc) will be introduced into the game. However, looking at CCP's track record, it'll probably be in a year or two.

Please bear in mind the following:

During the 2 years that are mentioned repeatedly by the WiS haters they build the Carbon Framework through refining the old code. They wanted to use it as foundation for other projects. The nice side effect was that they now have a much better foundation for EVE. I state that the carbon frame work and the two years they worked on it made many of the improvements that were delivered with Crucible possible in the first place. Or maybe not possible, but much faster and easier to develop.
Remember how they always stated that they can't change the UI. Now they can and they do because of their code refinement. So don't pretend as if the core gameplay don't got any benefit out of it. That simply isn't true.
True is that those two years also had expansions with many additions (but not iterations) for the core gameplay. Infrastructure stuff, Pirate Epic Arcs, revisited Faction Ships, new planet graphics, Planetary Interaction, removal of learning skills, "Little Things" from Team BFF, Incursions... to just name some of the bigger things. Looking at the expansions before that they mostly hadn't that much content in them, too.

The real problem was the lack of iteration and the practice of feature abandonment they did. But they already did that before WiS, or ambulation how they called it back in the day, was a topic. You can try to babble as long as you want, but WiS and WoD were not entirely responsible for that. It more looks like some major mismanagement by CCP. They have grown too big too fast and couldn't handle it properly. Now they have learned (hopefully) that something was amiss, they can restructure and try to get a grip on it again. Crucible showed us that they can and that there is enough potential. And it showed that Carbon was a good idea.

I see the need to iterate and revamp many old features (heck, I do want that maybe as desperate as you WiS haters) and I know that this is more urgent than new content for WiS. I think most WiS supporters understand that pretty well.


I have to admit that a lot of our loved haters here are right that we already got our answer from CCP. WiS is on the backburner. So I think we should formulate some questions that are more precise. That something is on the backburner can mean a lot of things. Maybe we should ask more specific questions... like:

What does it mean exactly that WiS is on the backburner?
Are there still a few developers working on WiS related content or iterations for features that are already delivered (Captains Quarters, Character Customization)?
If yes, on what are they working at the moment?
If no, when can we expect to hear anything new? No exact date needed, just some rough estimation (eg after the summer expansion, after the next winter expansion, propably in two years etc.)?
Are you seriously considering to abandon WiS entirely? Or is it more like putting it back to the drawing board and thinking of how to make it more meaningful?
Have you really overshot the mark regarding hardware requirements of your engine? Is there a way to scale it down and lower them? Do we have to wait for the next generation of graphic cards to get any multiplayer enviroment running smoothly?
Can we expect that Captains Quarters are going to be iterated some time in the future? There are features lacking that were talked about ( eg market tickers).
What about the request by many players to make the bloodlines and races more distinct, eg through racial clothing and additional accessory?
There are also a lot of requests regarding bloodline and gender changes. Is there something you are working on?

I think that this are a lot of the questions we "barbie fetishists" like to know and it is far from unreasonable to ask them and expect an answer of some kind.

if this thread don,t deliver some extra info
why would the CSM and some idea subforum do deliver

The CSM has as always no use in this matter
We want info from CCP ,not from some CCP-internetpuppets

Perhaps their silence is saying something you do not want to hear...

Please bear in mind the following:

During the 2 years that are mentioned repeatedly by the WiS haters they build the Carbon Framework through refining the old code. They wanted to use it as foundation for other projects. The nice side effect was that they now have a much better foundation for EVE. I state that the carbon frame work and the two years they worked on it made many of the improvements that were delivered with Crucible possible in the first place. Or maybe not possible, but much faster and easier to develop.
Remember how they always stated that they can't change the UI. Now they can and they do because of their code refinement. So don't pretend as if the core gameplay don't got any benefit out of it. That simply isn't true.
True is that those two years also had expansions with many additions (but not iterations) for the core gameplay. Infrastructure stuff, Pirate Epic Arcs, revisited Faction Ships, new planet graphics, Planetary Interaction, removal of learning skills, "Little Things" from Team BFF, Incursions... to just name some of the bigger things. Looking at the expansions before that they mostly hadn't that much content in them, too.

The real problem was the lack of iteration and the practice of feature abandonment they did. But they already did that before WiS, or ambulation how they called it back in the day, was a topic. You can try to babble as long as you want, but WiS and WoD were not entirely responsible for that. It more looks like some major mismanagement by CCP. They have grown too big too fast and couldn't handle it properly. Now they have learned (hopefully) that something was amiss, they can restructure and try to get a grip on it again. Crucible showed us that they can and that there is enough potential. And it showed that Carbon was a good idea.

I see the need to iterate and revamp many old features (heck, I do want that maybe as desperate as you WiS haters) and I know that this is more urgent than new content for WiS. I think most WiS supporters understand that pretty well.


I have to admit that a lot of our loved haters here are right that we already got our answer from CCP. WiS is on the backburner. So I think we should formulate some questions that are more precise. That something is on the backburner can mean a lot of things. Maybe we should ask more specific questions... like:

What does it mean exactly that WiS is on the backburner?
Are there still a few developers working on WiS related content or iterations for features that are already delivered (Captains Quarters, Character Customization)?
If yes, on what are they working at the moment?
If no, when can we expect to hear anything new? No exact date needed, just some rough estimation (eg after the summer expansion, after the next winter expansion, propably in two years etc.)?
Are you seriously considering to abandon WiS entirely? Or is it more like putting it back to the drawing board and thinking of how to make it more meaningful?
Have you really overshot the mark regarding hardware requirements of your engine? Is there a way to scale it down and lower them? Do we have to wait for the next generation of graphic cards to get any multiplayer enviroment running smoothly?
Can we expect that Captains Quarters are going to be iterated some time in the future? There are features lacking that were talked about ( eg market tickers).
What about the request by many players to make the bloodlines and races more distinct, eg through racial clothing and additional accessory?
There are also a lot of requests regarding bloodline and gender changes. Is there something you are working on?

I think that this are a lot of the questions we "barbie fetishists" like to know and it is far from unreasonable to ask them and expect an answer of some kind.

would give you an ladder to go up that level,but you had to mention WOD,so taking that ladder away.

English. How does it work?

sorry about that,but i am not English

Everyone in this thread should apply to my corp - you're either morons for wanting space-barbies or morons for discussing with morons wanting space barbies.

(Just posting bacause the thread is on top anyway so no harm done)