EVE General Discussion

I didnt call it a good example I was just demonstrating as to how the two can compete.

It doesnt stop idiots in real life buying fake uniforms and try to pass themselves off as posers instead of getting it the hard way.

Not everyone plays fair in the sandbox anyways you may have a plastic shovel the guy next to you migtht have a metal shovel and mr moneybags brings in a bulldozer.

Either way this is the trap that Plex Falls into. Plex currenlty easily allows you to bling your way out of everything as long as the plex economy holds out, even with the the store removed and clothes an ingame thing only plex just reaccomplished this again buy plexing your way though life. So its a poor argument verses the my money for the subscription isnt good enough case.

I should point out at this stage that the NEX items themselves actually are in violation of one of the core mechanics of the Eve economy and universe:

• Anything and everything you own can be destroyed.

This is an incredibly important mechanic to the Eve economy as it ensures that there's always a constant demand for items as well and making sure there's sinks to stop rampant inflation.

NEX items are indestructable when they're being worn, and they're the only indestructable items a player can own in the entire game.

I was flabbergasted when CCP decided that was the option they were going to use. I understand why (imagine the complaints when people lose items they've paid lots of RL money for to ganks) but that's mearly a result of forcing a system into the game which is the antithesis of the rest of it.

At the very least, igorning the fact they can only be bought with RL money (which is wrong on many levels), the items should have been destructable but extremely cheap (which is the better business move as well).


Edit: As for PLEX, yes, it's a RL transaction, but it doesn't generate anything in game. Sure, it's sold on the markets for ISK (and some people treat it like buying ISK), but the fact remains that someone, somewhere in EVE, had to play the game to create the ISK (mining, missioning etc) in order to buy the PLEX. Which has been said hundreds of times before. The NEX items on the other hand skip that concept entirely.

I might say it would be "very annoying" to need to acquire and replace the full halo set I prefer to use in combat everytime I "die" but needing to do that is the way of eve risk vs reward. The fact NeX items were made indestructable is an insult and obscenity really and is something I lay squarely at the feet of the madness that infected ccp last year. I consider indestructible items of clothing an absurdity when player-acquired implants are not indestructible.

Allow me to explain:

With the introduction of the NeX store we are asked to believe that an Amarrian government-owned subsidary "Noble Appliances" has managed to win the exclusive distribution rights for capsuleer clothing across the entirely of known space including many national territories that the Amarrian government is actually at war with. This means that Matari FW participants wishing to customize their Avatars with clothing are directly funding the Amarrian state as a majority shareholder in Noble Appliances and that the Matari republic itself makes available storefront space in its space stations so that its deadly enemy can run a clothing boutique.

So much for the notion of capsuleers as industrial demigods who get to impose their will on the planets below by orbital drops of advanced factories through PI - instead we're asked to see ourselves as pathetic febrile fashion-victims incapable of seeing the ridiculous sums of aurum we are being asked to pay directly to a subsidary of the Amarrian government.

I consider this a bit ridiculous in Prime Fiction terms and I hope you will agree.



I'd ask you instead what makes designer jeans special in real life - and I'll tell you from my own experience ordering nice shirts and suits. Its exclusivity based on scarcity. One orders a suit with a six month waiting list because its a particularly nice shop with an excellent reputaton. Let me stress the point again - SIX MONTH WAITING LIST. Items are special because not everyone can have them. Now in Eve terms the NeX store is the equivilent of some nasty mail order clone fashion store that just happens to charge extortionate prices - but there is no scarcity. Press button get clothes. The only way you can have genuine scarcity in a game like eve is to have such things being genuinely difficult to acquire.

Now a pirate implant set is hard to get. Means running missions and getting drops in dangerous space. Thats why they cost 5-8b isk each. Not everyone can have these things, if people decided they all wanted them then the price will skyrocket and only some will get them. Thats scarcity in an MMO. But it works because its player economy at work.

I don't buy for a second your assertion that it would be a staggering amount of extra work to release clothing as items and drops in the game proper and I would love to see genuinely rare items of clothing that come from the most dangerous areas of space and most torturous manufacturing routes. If I saw a player wearing some incredible (and destructible) blood raider ceremonial gown that needed 500,000 lps and components from bizzare 10/10 complexes and relics to assemble then I'd be impressed.

When I see a player wearing a monocle I just think "what an idiot - that looks as cheap as it is."



CCP did by releasing Incarna in the state it was with the only content available through NeX. It strongly indicated they had no other method of delivering incarna content.



NeX is not fine, its a terrible nonsense in prime fiction terms and an extremely lazy bit of programming. It needs to be stripped out of the game, the various items of clothing need to be introduced through factional loyalty point stores and exploration drops (in the short term) and ship paint jobs likewise. CCP need to breathe a sigh of relief that they avoided oblivion listening to the idiots who sent them on this MT route last year and get back to enriching the perceived value of subscription in order to sell more subscriptions.

It always made me wonder why we cant wire a blueprint over the hypernet these days. I think the current interation of clothes are also misleading they should be rename them into contracts. The clohting line being obligated to match your needs just as much as the cloning company needed to match your looks and previous skill points.

Back to Jade,

I find it annoying that I forget what hardwires I had before I died with certain bodies. Would be nice to make a 'snapshot' of what's plugged in for quick repurchases for whatever jump clone I lose.

However you're right the clothes shouldnt been pernament this was something that was done wrong out the door under quick notice and now that its out of the can it be very bad to get rid of it. Probably just as bad of a fiasco as taking away medical coverage from a union member.

Ultimately I feel that the NeX needed probably 3 expansions worth on the test server before launch to allow alot of time for players to mold and shape it into a digestable MT store but the earnly launch with little to no players feeding it what needs to be done and how it was done leading to a poor launch.

Only thing we seemed to have managed to do was prevent ships from appering out of thin air with the ishkone watch scorpion.

Your previous commet which I have to edit is one reason why the Micro-Plex thing came about CSM been talking about it and unfourutantely due to PDAs we where given only a small hints as to whats in store. The idea that they may change the name of Aurum into a micro-plex may be up to something who knows but ccp and csm. I just only hope players will have much more of a voice in NeX 2.0.

And your right the entire UI and pricing scheme was probably not that well invested into. Unlike the clothes and character deisgns the biggest chunks of the investment.

I for one however would love the entire LP store to be re-written to be more viable in shopping in instead of being slightly worse than market browsing. I know the filters exist but they dont help much when the store offers 200 of the darn things.

Too many cooks spoil the broth.

When they did the Star wars universe they did the same thing, let every douche in a 10 light year radius get in on the 'lore'. The Star Wars universe is so inconsistent its disgusting. At this point they are just making **** up as they go along.

I used to argue about the lore of Eve. Then someone linked me some, as my concepts were "wrong". I was able to find "Eve lore" for both sides of the argument. Theres no point in getting set in "This is how New Eden is because I read it". Somebody already wrote something contradictory.

NEX can't be fixed because is nothing wrong with it, there is no good/bad NEX. It is an Item Mall just like all others and it should be removed from EVE, in my opinion. It does not fit in this game.

Fair enough feature request that one. No problems at all with having jumpclone templates to enable you to fit replacement implants as one currently fits ships.



I'm not convinced really. I don't think there are many players who have actually purchased NeX clothes with real money. If neccessary you could run the numbers and just reimburse them the PLEX they paid and make all the clothing genuinely destructible (I would be surprised if this amounts to much actual isk)



Well back then ccp monocle and ccp thousand dollar jeans were in "damn the torpedos and ignore those annoying players they don't understand our :awsome: mode" so any feedback was either ignored or denied by not providing actual facts and figures in advance. This was the bad old ccp and hopefully its gone forever now.



I'm actually quite disappointed with the current CSM on the issue and I feel they are rolling over on the principle by suggesting that ship customization should be a potential microtransaction. I too am waiting for the minutes with interest - but I'm expecting that CSM has pretty much folded collectively and let CCP get away with the notion of "vanity items" for MT not covered by the subscription. Suffice to say if it turns out this way I'll be looking for some other CSM's to support next time.



Yep and the clothing can be recycled easily into traditional means of player industry. Losing the rubbish NeX interface and its PF-breaking bullshit really won't hurt anybody.

I do agree that the LP store menus could certainly do with revamping themselves. Hopefully the "new ccp" will be able to achieve something on this score.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect it.

People also don't want walmart in their neighborhood. And Adult Book Stores stores. And ***** bars. And they open them anyway and they prosper. So for CCP as a company to ignore that would be counterproductive.