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All this asset safety nonsense is a major change of paradigm for this game.

Just some pull out of he "nowhere" crap that feels totally out of place with the game i once started. Realistical risk simulation ??? - lol

The longer i see this generation of devs tottering around the more angry i get.
I´ve lost enough ingame friends to their out of touch tinkering with game mechanics and core concepts during this last year!!

Be it their diletant fiddling with idustry concepts (back then at least the UI changes were good) up to the new map (that you presented to us with practically unusable scanning mechanics) or the totally useless overhaul of icons - to name some of the lesser points. Fozzie sov in itself would more fit for a completely different game instead of implanting it here and with your new structures .... most of all i see a loss of funtionaltiy and immersion.

Asset safety is just the logical next step - and they probably dont even see that they give up on some of their core USP.

Well since large portions of the game can't build Outposts even if we have the resources there are already a lot of reasons to build one.
Being able to place more than one in a system should be reason enough even for the people that can put down outposts, why put all your toys in one easy to camp location?


I think podding the people docked up is a terrible idea, and I've mentioned what I consider to be a far superior solution elsewhere.

I disagree with the structure auto blowing up at the end of the last reinforced cycle, just seems arbitrary. I say reduce the shields to 0% and make the attackers actually use ammo.

The personal asset shifting seems like too big a safety net to me, but then again I'll benefit from it so I wont be crying. I read somewhere that WH assets wont be saved, makes sense but only if the system has no other friendly structures. Not evacing to k-space = meh fine. Not evacing to the perfectly fine place 501km away? Not so good.

Being destroyed by entosis while being deployed is only a good mechanic for the trolls. I can see why you'd want a way to kill them before they go up but make it destroyable by dps instead (since it's super invuln shield isn't up yet).

"How will you avoid accidental killings?"
This has been an issue for us in the past and present with POS's, I'd like to see a "Never shoot at!" list that individual pilots and maybe corps can be added to, the standings system is just too unreliable and arcane.


The main functionality right now is for WH pilots (who CCP still seems to be ignoring), personal asset security is a big issue and working around the games limitations is a constant headache for us.



Really the biggest problems most (i did say most) people seem to be having with the structures is based on them being shoehorned to fit the entosis system, not the structures themselves.

Make the insurance able to be extended or retracted at any point. Meaning you are 2 months from it going out, you can extend that insurance by another 6 months. now you have 8 months worth of coverage. If you dont take advantage of that, its again your own fault for not taking proper precautions. You play the game, the game shouldn't play itself for you.

Also, you choose to play the game, your putting the time and money in, which means you are the one responsible for your stuff. changing game mechanics because you decided to take some R&R from the game for whatever reason is dumb on the game designers part as thats an unknown they shoudln't have to account for. Should there be leeway on somethings yes. But if you unsubscribe for 6 months and your stuff is gone, you left the game. the fact you have ANYTHING you should be happy about. Game companies do regular purges of characters that are inactive.



I did. This was designed with the thought in mind of my own stuff be guarded by myself, not with some other entinty there to protect it. if i loose a ship, or a mod or a bunch of mods, its not the imperiums or my alliances fault. its my own for not taking the 3 seconds to insure the ships/hangar. Then the only person i can blame is myself for the lost stuff. Loot pinata, as you termed, is due to a lack of quality control on my own stuff. I didnt insure it, it goes to someone else. If i had insured it, no one but me woulda gotten it. its a risk but thats part of living in player controlled space. Risk vs reward here.


High sec i agree with shouldn't have the drop policy and as such it wouldnt happen, would just be transfered. you dont like loot pinatas, stay in high sec. but giving an option to be safe and forcing the safe on everyone kills the immersion and risk involved in player space its called lawless space for a reason.

You like NPC null sec stay there. no one is stopping you, but even in this situation, the small guys are still covered if they are active about their assets and where they are. you can set these up and still keep your assets. just takes some doing, not AFK ratting/mining.

Fenris

Was an idea, and appreciate the feedback. Looking at these citadels on a corp level and then alliance level is a bit tough to come to a common ground. but it is possible.

The same extends to docked pods. If a Citadel is the first and only place in the game where you can die while offline, who's gonna be the fool to use them for docking? And what is the use of a dockable structure where you don't want to be docked?

Does it?
I dont think so - we are talking about POS successors here and when ever or where ever you destroy a POS it drops its contents.

Now suddenly fairies appear out of nowhere - and under the eyes and guns of the victorious armada they carry all the valuables away to a save place.

Talking about a minimum of inner logic?


I feel thats a completely different issue than the "safety" in NPC stations and Outposts that are completely indisdructable by design.

As others have stated, this is an objectively terrible idea. Nobody will ever log off in a citadel if this is the case. They will log off in space in a ship, just like they currently do when using a POS. It would be stupid not to.

Here are other solutions I think are reasonable.

1. The pod (implants in tact) and the active ship move to the nearest station, just like the assets.
2. The pod and the active ship (if any) are spawned at a random point in space when the player logs back in. Similar to what would happen if they logged off in space.

It would also be stupid to dock and store a super-cap in an XL citadel, as only a handful of alliances in the game would have the resources to lose a significant number of ships and assets (especially super-caps) for 5 days and then build another XL citadel in the same contested system, and defend it without any of the lost ships, just to get those assets back. In most cases the super-caps would just be lost.

Maybe when you reclaim a super-cap the game could just spawn it at a random point in system and warp it to within range of the nearest structure's invulnerability link, and hold it there until somebody boards it.

This is a very valid point considering that any successful corp / alliance conducts long range planning activities. I urge the Devs / CSM to consider the impact that the release timeline has.

1. From an indy / manufacturing aspect, will the skill for outpost construction suffice? Will additional skill sets be added or existing skill levels need further training? Any additional skill books required available with sufficient lead time that allows a character to be prepared for the required changes?

2. Will those who have heavily invested in the basic outpost infrastructure BPO / BPC's have these converted or reimbursed in some fashion.

I know some of these have queries appear redundant, but I can't emphasize enough the importance of delivering a well thought out and properly prioritized package to the player base that permits informed and wise decisions. Looking forward to the possibilities

CCP used to be more circumspect with the immersion breaks. Now magic lights and insta space fedex are popping up all over the place. They should just make a magic space wizard and be done with any pretense of realism

I am inclined to agree. First, one must dispel the myth of "safe" in any aspect of Eve. Truth... Nothing is safe! Secondly, there would appear to be a "minority" group of WH dwellers who essentially want to be isolationist and reap the many benefits of WH life without having to exert any extra effort to defend their home. WH space was never designed from its inception to be easy. To be fair though, the Devs / CSM need to spend some extra time considering how the Citadel mechanics affect the unique mechanics and associated game play that goes with WH life. It goes without saying that WH dwellers and their efforts are inexplicably linked to our Eve economy ( as is all sectors of Eve space ) and we don't need to go through another cycle of " this is broke " ( like sov )

Pos are used all over the place outside of wh despite the risk of assets loss. This new system would be fine - a slight improvement over the current situation - if it was limited to stations, but make poses asset immune everywhere is a terrible idea