Wormholes

I don't believe I can attend but I will leave these thoughts here to echo what others are saying as feedback

• The asset safety recovery and move mechanics have too much opportunity to be gamed. Between seeding your own citadel full of ships and scooping to leave ships inside a system and the "free move" of assets to NPC stations, players will game this to the fullest extent possible.


• Asset safety as a concept is understandable considering that you are looking at the XL structures as replacements for Outposts in null-sec. As such, I believe the proposal for asset safety to be a rig/module with sov as a fitting requirement is a good one and I would extend that to being an XL rig only. This removes asset safety entirely from high, low, and w-space while providing a fitting choice/reasonable replacement for Outpost functionality in null-sec. This is equivalent to the features provided by POS/Outpost today.


• I do not feel that corporate hangers should be protected by any asset safety mechanism. Leave protection only for personal hangers. While players can "game" this system as well by moving assets to personal hangers prior to destruction, it is not much different than loading up a ship and logging off in terms of protection and also leaves assets vulnerable to theft by the player. As a result, asset safety should result in a journal entry created for the players personal property. This allows players and opportunity to retrieve their stuff currently not possible in a lost Outpost but does not allow for the "free move" gaming noted above. Corporation assets are dropped per standard loot drops. Arguably, those assets should have been protected by the corporation in the first place making their loss a reasonable risk/result of the attack.

As far as the actual capture mechanic, I'll leave this post here as I have to review the timers, etc. before giving feedback as the implications are pretty extensive depending on the size and layout of your vulnerability timers.

Questions and concerns

• Because the barrier to attack is so small (entosis ship), and assuming that PvP oriented groups will jump on any vulnerable timer they see by attacking structures to invoke fights, you have a situation that any Citadel that is vulnerable in a wormhole chain with PvP minded peoplein it is likely to be reinforced unless the residents are home to defend. We see this already with POCO timers in w-space where people will jump on them because they are coming up even if they have no interest in the timer itself because they know there will be people to fight. This results in a consistent need to be present during the next vulnerable period to undo the reinforcement. Which again, if a PvP oriented group is in your chain, could result in trouble for the smaller group as their assets are again attacked simply because the timer existed and not for any actual desire to attack them specifically. Rinse and repeat and you have a scenario where a group's Citadel is potentially always in a reinforced state or under attack by whatever group is in their chain on vulnerable days. This could have a very chilling effect on smaller groups as they see themselves attacked for no other reason than they are in an open vulnerable window. Today's POS EHP wall prevents most casual attack of towers other than very poorly fit defenses.

I would like to be there, as long as there are places available

x i will be there also.

I would like to come if there is room.

I would like to be there.

I am interested if possible.

I rather it all blow up and you get a nice kill mail + whatever mats/resources those citadels will drop as default. More healthy for the economy. Then hitting on players would be more based on do it to get pvp, rather than just do it to get "shinies"

any ETA when they will be available to play with?

X-ing up for the townhall meeting.

You imply that a group belongs in wspace if they cannot protect their assets. This has never been the case.

You fail to recognise that it works both ways, if your small group wants, it can go do the same to other small groups = way more fun than AFK gasmining. Way better for our environment than those that turtle up and log off as soon as a non-purple shows up in chain.

Granted 0.0 is different, they know their neighbours etc. but casually wanding any vulnerable structure is already a thing out there. It's not a specific Wspace issue. Wormholes go there too (just in smaller numbers than we're used to )

We are all telling nullbears to HTFU and live in their space if they want to keep it. Same applies to us.