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Structure blog and sounding board

First post
Samantha Elroy
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-08-13 19:13:41 UTC
Sensitive Dependence Initiative
#22 - 2015-08-13 19:14:40 UTC
Signing up for sounding board
La loca Fappuccino
The Initiative.
#23 - 2015-08-13 19:15:44 UTC
Signing up to attend.
King Creator
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#24 - 2015-08-13 19:18:56 UTC
Signing up to attend
Mira Thanis
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#25 - 2015-08-13 19:57:59 UTC
gonna attend.
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-08-13 20:09:26 UTC
Such a bad time for me :( would have liked to be there.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#27 - 2015-08-13 20:27:44 UTC
I might actually be able to make this, I thought initially I might miss it, Invite please Corbexx?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Athanor Ruthoern
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-08-13 20:43:42 UTC
I would like to come
Aladar Dangerface
Protean Concept
Moss Piglet Preservation Society
#29 - 2015-08-13 20:46:20 UTC
Hopefully we can show the nullbears what its like when adults actually talk about things.

I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.

Keskora Yaari
POS Party
Ember Sands
#30 - 2015-08-13 22:32:57 UTC
All signed up!
Ransu Asanari
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-08-13 22:41:00 UTC
I'd like to attend this. It's in the middle of my workday but I'll try to make the time.

WIll work on some good discussion points and questions.
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-08-13 22:54:20 UTC
Would like to sign up to represent HK.

Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.

Sylvanium Orlenard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-08-14 05:16:18 UTC
I won't be able to attend because its in the wrong timezone, however, please someone ask this question.

Will one be able to set-up contracts in a citatel, including, Item Exchanges, Auctions and most importantly Courier Contracts?

If the answer to the above is yes, will one be able to set up courier contracts to and from a wormhole system?
#34 - 2015-08-14 06:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
So no mention at all in devblog about docking and undocking points, radius, safety timers or anything we really need to know to actually live out of them.

Will you be able to get dscan information when inside a Citadel of the outside. What information on the docked people will you have from the outside also. These are pretty important i feel to foster interaction between players.

Wish i could make it. I hope you could ask those questions for me.
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-08-14 07:44:42 UTC
I cannot make this (and am a small fish in the WH pond anyway) however if we could get some awareness/clarity raised around these questions I had from the main thread that would be awesome:

They came in regards to WH having such long windows and with no way to shrink them as well as the fundamental differences between k and j space:

I think they are unreasonably long and that it is not valid to treat WH like other space.

The common rally cry, of course, is "live in your space". Which is fine when your space is outside a WH.

afkalt wrote:

Because being 4 jumps away in K-space is nothing LIKE being 4 away in J-space?

I actually think it's unreasonably long, given the constraints of J-space.

Routes home can disappear in a heartbeat
Deathcloning home is not an option
Anomalies and income sources are randomly spawned so living out of a single system isn't viable as it can be k-space.

This literally demands someone stay home and do nothing for XX hours per week in WHs.

Sure, we can use alts...but that's a stupid solution to a problem we shouldn't have.

Potential things which may help:
Shrink windows to mitigate the time spent babysitting?
Things that actually shoot interlopers so that a single ship can't play logoffski games (this is obviously massively amplified by the lack of local, you need eyes on the grid for the duration)?
Changes to allow it to be more practical to stay home in the window? Chuck out more anoms in that window maybe? I'm not sure, just something to make staying home to babysit not an activity you do in a minimized screen whilst doing other things.

I'm not sure what else to do, which doesn't create an artificial nonsense level of special treatment for WHers.
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-08-14 09:06:02 UTC
So could we maybe finally get clone swapping in the medical facility? We've been asking about it for only several years...
#37 - 2015-08-14 09:46:14 UTC
Not sure if I can be around for this.

A few questions/remarks I want to throw at you:
- I think it makes sense to explain the blogs content before starting any discussion. I didn’t find this blog an easy read with all that new terminology and such.

- Reinforcement timers seem a bit long in the example. This would be way too long to maintain a tight WH control during a WH siege. I would expect to see lot more parties involved in sieges or the besieged having an easier time to pull assets out if they don’t want to fight for their space. Not sure if this is good or bad for the game but certainly very different and probably bad.

- It seems a bit counter-intuitive that larger structures have longer vulnerability windows and shorter time spans between two vulnerability phases. I would not want to pay more for a less secure fortress. This makes no sense to me. (unless see next point)

- How will defenses of M, L and XL be like compared to a decent POS? Will XL be a capital no go zone? If so, it might not be a good idea to have them in w-space.

- Trollceptors … I would so pay fuel/ISK for a hired NPC defense crew that mans the guns. There are a lot of very small groups in lower class WHs that can’t be online for every vulnerability. I would hate to see them leave in frustration once their default vulnerability becomes vulnerability 2. (I am very sure people like me will do this.) Maybe make this an option for M and L citadels only?

- Wormhole stabilizers… just kidding. Blink
Galdur Trudaihnel
Litla Sundlaugin
#38 - 2015-08-14 11:26:06 UTC
Will there be a discussion about putting the number of WH space to null connections and the time they are open for back to previous levels ?

Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-08-14 12:02:53 UTC
Galdur Trudaihnel wrote:
Will there be a discussion about putting the number of WH space to null connections and the time they are open for back to previous levels ?

there maybe. but that wont be this one. and it would be pointless to bring it up since its not CCP Nullabors team. You'll also annoy me for not keeping it on topic.
Rolled Out
#40 - 2015-08-14 12:41:33 UTC
Ustz blah blah.

Open questions/points of contention
1. Asset safety in Wspace? I don't think it belongs tbh.
2. I thougt I recalled reading that the structures would be able to defend themselves against lone/small attackers. If not, the trollceptor problems will simply reappear in wspace as well.
3. Will these structures allow clone swapping in wspace?
4. Why are citadels warpable anomalies? I dislike knowing that my 'home' location is so lazily located. I would have preferred some dscan based method of location detection. Or some method of triangulation. But not just 'check box to show anoms r click warp'.

All in all I was pleased with the latest structure blogs.

I'm right behind you