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Building dedicated jump hauler from scratch, which race/ship and why?

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KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
#1 - 2015-08-07 20:08:03 UTC
Building dedicated jump hauler from scratch, which race/ship and why?
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
#2 - 2015-08-07 20:34:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Hadrian Blackstone
Anshar, it'll leave a cool looking wreck when you get ganked
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
#3 - 2015-08-07 20:48:19 UTC
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
Anshar, it'll leave a cool looking wreck when you get ganked



It's important to keep up appearances all the way through.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2015-08-07 21:01:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Largest cargo: Rhea > Anshar > Ark > Nomad

Fuel Efficiency: Nomad > Ark > Anshar > Rhea

Fuel cost: Haven't compared prices in a while.

Sometimes the choice is based upon what isotopes you can easily get.


I personally own 5 Charons and 3 Rhea, but that's because every m3 matters to me. If you can't fill every m3, then there are other options. All my JF pilots can use all races of JF.


EDIT: Unless you are building in lowsec or nulsec, building in hisec will cost you significantly more than buying one in Jita.
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
#5 - 2015-08-07 21:50:20 UTC
Does the Orca have any merit for "versatility"?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2015-08-07 23:00:26 UTC
KenFlorian wrote:
Does the Orca have any merit for "versatility"?

Sure, it can fill many roles, and is a lot less expensive too!

Example: When I lived in w-space, everyone in the corp owned at least one Orca. Though probing wormholes with one is not fun (been there, done that. Wormhole collapsed unexpectedly).

Now that one can toss a mobile depot into them and refit anywhere, an Orca is even more handy.

Hauling, mining boosting, mobile home, etc.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2015-08-07 23:30:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Also don't forget about the Bowhead (I often do).

Much smaller cargo than an Orca, but can move more ships than an Orca (Orca max is one battlecruiser).

The Bowhead is good for moving between mission hubs, or incursion systems.
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
#8 - 2015-08-08 00:18:50 UTC
I had not examined Orca carefully until now. It looks like an interesting and useful replacement for both Kryos and Iteron on my way to one of the Big Ones.

Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#9 - 2015-08-08 09:59:57 UTC
KenFlorian wrote:
I had not examined Orca carefully until now. It looks like an interesting and useful replacement for both Kryos and Iteron on my way to one of the Big Ones.



It can be. Just fit for max tank rather than max cargo, it's just not worth it and makes you an attractive gank target instead.
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
#10 - 2015-08-08 16:39:51 UTC
Thanks all for the input!
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
#11 - 2015-08-13 18:41:57 UTC
The reason for my OP here is that I am now firmly at a decision point as a manufacturer. To haul myself or outsource?

Up until now, I've been able to get by with an Iteron and Kryos and with an acceptable amount of time ATK to move my inputs and outputs. I'm now teetering on the edge of acceptable time.

Either I work an alt up to, say, a Charon, or I learn how to further manage and optimize my supply chain such that is smarter to outsource it.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2015-08-13 19:28:06 UTC
Depends on who much you are moving, and how often.

Example: a Deep Space Transport like the Ocaator may be all you need: 60,000 m3 fleet hangar with Transports 4. It can also be tanked reasonably (well, I know my Bustard has Charon-level EHP), are faster, and less expensive.

You can work-up to a freighter or an Orca. The Orca really requires a skill-detour compared to a transport or freighter.
Allison A'vani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-08-13 19:42:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Allison A'vani
Rhea because it is the best. Cargo Hold > Everything else. Literally nothing else matters. You will only get ganked if you are dumb and auto pilot your JF, never auto pilot your JF.

EDIT: In the OP you reference jump haulers, I assume you meant a hauler with a jump drive.
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
#14 - 2015-08-13 21:58:41 UTC  |  Edited by: KenFlorian
Allison A'vani wrote:
Rhea because it is the best. Cargo Hold > Everything else. Literally nothing else matters. You will only get ganked if you are dumb and auto pilot your JF, never auto pilot your JF.

EDIT: In the OP you reference jump haulers, I assume you meant a hauler with a jump drive.


Allison,

My OP was wildly uneducated about the hauling class, in general. So I was not even clear on what I was asking.

Almost every day I need to move > Iteron-sized loads a few jumps back and forth and close to the same with Kryos-loads from hub to factory. All in high-sec. Low, null to come at some point.

I'm following a predictable path. Nereus was good enough for awhile, then iteron and Kryos. Now, probably next logical step is the Charon, IF, IF, IF, I am going to haul my own stuff. If not, then it doesn't matter. At this point, I don't plan to be a station trader.
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
#15 - 2015-08-13 22:22:58 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Depends on who much you are moving, and how often.



100,000'ish M3 daily (but gradually increasing)....3 to 5 Iteron loads depending on tank.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#16 - 2015-08-13 23:18:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
KenFlorian wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Depends on who much you are moving, and how often.

100,000'ish M3 daily (but gradually increasing)....3 to 5 Iteron loads depending on tank.

Ya, you probably want a freighter, for hisec hauling at least.

Or if you are patient, you can use public courier contracts. Consider the price of a freighter vs. courier fees.

Also consider opportunity cost: the ISK in the ship investment could be used to make more ISK while you are using courier contracts.

It took me about a week for my first freighter purchase to break-even, so for me was worth it. Besides, my friends were on to me, and would no longer haul for me Twisted
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#17 - 2015-08-14 02:11:11 UTC
KenFlorian wrote:
[quote=Tau Cabalander]100,000'ish M3 daily (but gradually increasing)....3 to 5 Iteron loads depending on tank.

That is a lot of hauling. In fact, it makes me wonder what you are hauling (you don't need to say for security reasons). If you are hauling ore, minerals, PI there are specialized haulers that are cheap and easy trains that will give you a lot more capacity.

The big industry players all swear by contracting the hauling, but I like to haul my own freight because I enjoy being in space and an industry career can have you in the station looking at spreadsheets for a lot of your time.

When I was pursuing industry for profit I would make a weekly run to Jita to buy moon materials and sell the T2 goods that I had manufactured. I have a minimally trained alt in Jita to monitor buy and sell orders.

While I have a couple of freighters I've become a big fan of blockade runners. A blockade runner is faster, much safer, and give the ability to travel in low-sec. It also automatically gives you access to deep space transports which are also much safer to move than freighters.

One last comment, you're familiar with locator agents, right? By posting with your main people can know where you operate and setup to intercept your freight.

p.s. Ugh, one more last comment, make sure you create insta-dock and undock bookmarks at any hubs you regularly visit.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#18 - 2015-08-14 02:14:21 UTC
Back to your original question, I went with a Providence freighter because it had the best balance of attributes AND I liked the way it looks the best. I'm now working on the skills for an Ark.

KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
#19 - 2015-08-14 14:58:55 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:

...make sure you create insta-dock and undock bookmarks at any hubs you regularly visit.


Shiloh,

Good points, all, and thanks much as usual!

I have been hauling maximum tanked, most of the time. As of this week, I using couriers and will soon enough have an alt to fully restore "KenFlorian" to station vermin, only.

I do have the requisite set of insta-marks but at least some seem a bit "off"....IOW, for my undocks most of my ships still repoint a fraction before making the beeline out.

Some of my docks also seem to require a bit of a shift when arriving. They are very fast but I don't understand if they are working like a professionals marks would.

Artemis Dalvik
Arxersize Industries
#20 - 2015-08-14 19:53:26 UTC
My advice would be to save up so that you can purchase ~700km3 worth of inputs at a time then use contracts to move goods back and forth. You're going to be looking at ~1-1.5m per jump + a little more for pickup fee if the route is just a couple jumps. doing this everyday for 100km3 isnt going to be worth it but for big loads it is. Once you do that for awhile run your numbers and see if it makes sense to buy a freighter.

Make sure your collateral is 110-120% of the value of the load and then advertise it in "Haulers Channel". It'll move at 1m per jump but make it 2m+ if you want to get someone's attention fast.
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