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Do you join these little gangs, or are you just romanticizing their assumed existence? Unless someone (aka CCP or the guy who runs zkb) can roll out some statistics on 'little' fleet-on-fleet encounters and prove with data how they've gone up since Phoebe, then content has gone down, not up.

You're asking for feedback, so I'll voice issues I have. I will not give idea's for solutions because, as a general player I am definitely not qualified to understand the full dynamics of any change you make, their ease of implementation or their full effects of them.

Issues:


Jump Fatigue: It reduced combat opportunities. Not just the largest server crushing fights, but also the chance for small fights. Maybe that was the idea. I do know in a world where we want immediate entertainment, and can receive it, Eve has taken a step back in this arena. We have enjoyed a game where our fun can be readily available within 30 minutes or less. We are very hard press to find that entertainment now. If we make an hour long or longer trip the fun may never be available, and that leave us with two or more hours of our gaming time wasted. Given Eve's demographics, most of the player base is mid aged adults with limited time after they come home from work. War was a goal oriented event, with big battles readily available content. Getting all of those again would be extremely unlikely in the current Sov system. Maybe we have more space then we need? There is no region or even constellation in nullsec that will have constant fighting over its Sov, and deployments are not a viable option for Sov holding alliances. I'm reminded of WoW, and the town Halaa. The town was in constant flux because there was reason to want to take it, if even for a little while. I'm sure many of the Dev's would understand what I mean by this. Eve lacks that sort of incentive to push constantly conflict over Sov.

Entosis Link: This has led to a system that in its current form lack and emotional reward for success. In the past defending or attacking led to risk. Not just for the alliance but for the individual. My ship could be lost, and in some cases the cost could be very substantial. Alliance has fielded fleets they could never afford to lose, and it was those risks that were emotionally exciting. I could lose everything, or take it from someone else. The feeling of crushing them was amazing. Now Sov is a system that does not put any individuals at real risk of loss. "Troll Ceptors" seem to run the majority of Sov combat, but ultimately the system doesn't push any alliance towards risking significant amounts of isk. There is no need to justify the loss of billions of isk, and maybe that helps the smaller group, but it takes a significant reward away from us that motivated fights. Even if the “Troll Ceptors” are resolved, the system in its current incarnation doesn’t justify the use of capital fleets of any size, or the use of supers. The escalation of ships is not as powerful as using the Sov system to simply exhaust the owners of it, through constant harassment. The Sov system supports risk aversion.

Alliance Level Income: Alliances were handed a Sov system that was ment to stress them to the point of releasing large swaths of space that was unused. It did not replace the income source related to holding large swaths of space. Not just renters, but also moons. CCP buffed space to allow for greater occupancy, but there is no way for an alliance to pull in a portion of that income. If the alliance had something as simple as a tax, it might be effective, but ultimately the lack of a system that allows for alliances to bring individual income up to the alliance level pushing alliances to fight the very Sov mechanics that CCP has introduced. I believe this has resulted in people pushing themselves to exhaustion, and ultimately walking away in favor of some much needed rest.

Removal of Types Game Play: Many of your old vets have felt a disconnect from CCP. They are highly skilled players that have come to enjoy a style of game play that you have removed. There are multiple styles I'm referencing. Two of which that come to mind are Deployments and Capital Fleets. Deployments were heavily nerfed with Jump Fatigue, and this lead to groups like PL having significantly more work to accomplish their style of game play. Second style is a capital centric style. Many players are almost purely capital based, with a few being dedicated to supers and titans. These ships ships no longer have a purpose. I know CCP want to take a serious look at these ships and give them some options for game play. However before options were designed to allow them to continue their use, they were given a lack of any use. This basically takes a number of peoples large investments, and makes them worthless for the current time. Many of these people are leadership/enablers for the larger populous and that leads to greater effect over all as these people log in less often or express their unhappiness about the situation. Though it may be a small group of players, their interest in this game has wide reaching effects.

Phoebe and Aegis are killing this game. Jump fatigue needs to be removed entirely. Nullsec is stagnant due to stubburn small-gang pvp loving game designers trying to force the majority of nullsec players to play the game the way these developers like to play the game instead of sticking true to the sandbox nature of Eve Online. People played this game over other MMOs because this was the only game out there that had a single server everyone could play on together. By restricting movement in such a player hostile manner, you're actively encouraging people to NOT play your game. If I wanted to only fight or play with the people in nullsec that lived next to me, I would go play many of the other small-scale games that exist.

Why cannot you step back and realize this? Get your heads out of the sand and look as how your changes have decimated the daily average logged i players over time.


You are killing this game.

Stay strong CCP, the majority of the angry noisy feedback is short sided junk based on an obsolete entrenched mindset. Your vision is good, your goals are correct, do not go back, continue pushing forward and just bring on the system/constellation fortification ability and work on features that encourage and allow player density within said systems/constellations.

[1]Altering base jump ranges
i) Keep Titans at 2.5 LY.
ii) Up Super Carriers to 3 LY.
iii) Give Dreadnaughts and Carriers 3.5 LY, in line with the Rorq.

[2]Altering jump fatigue curves
i) a fatigue timer for a 2.5 LY jump in a Titan should be 25 mins in my opinion (The ship caps up forever after a jump so it isn't going anywhere soon anyway)
ii) a fatigue timer for a 3 LY jump in a super carrier should be 30 mins.
iii) a fatigue timer for a 3.5 LY jump should be 35 mins.
Basically 10 mins of fatigue generated per light year jumped

[3]Moving jump fatigue from character based to ship based
I'd prefer you just delete jump fatigue.... Speaking of moving fatigue, when are stargates going to give sub cap gangs some fatigue? You know, local content, slow down eve, more fights, something something, stop power projection stuff. / rant

[4]Alternative FTL systems (Hyperdrive anyone?)
If this is going to be a spool up method of jumping capitals that allows me to travel across the map when the countdown / spoolup timer hits 0, with a long cooldown after and the ability to move without cynos... then hell yea. Its about time.

If not, i demandz details......

[5]Sovereignty effects on Jump Fatigue (e.g. jumping out of/back into capitals reducing jump fatigue)
Sure, but only if you can implement an occupied capital system for low-sec and NPC null alliances as well so that all capital ships can enjoy this feature....

[6]Balance of Jump projection v's Gate projection v's Wormhole projection
Apply the same nerf of jump fatigue timers to all ships using star gates and wormholes to travel. If they argue against it it means your doing it right! Slow down eve, more fights, less t3 / cruiser blobs traveling 10 jumps in 10 mins amirite?

[7]Jump Fatigue effecting combat effectiveness instead of limiting movement
This will hamper (erm I mean kill) capital PvP. Completely. So no. Bad CCP. BAD!

[8]Move-Mode for Capitals for move ops (e.g. Transforming into move mode (24 hour process) reduces combat capacity to near 0)
Rly? A capital ship has to wait 24 hours when a tactical destroyer does it in seconds? I think you need to go smoke some more socks and rethink this one. 5-10 minutes or so is more like it. This puts it in line with most of the other cycle times of capabilities or modules of cap ships in eve, like triage, siege, doomsdays etc.

[9]Active methods of reducing jump fatigue (Modules, Skills, Drugs)
Yes to all 3. Ships purely fitted like this will be the KM equivalent of suspect flagged billion isk sub caps fitted with warp stabs if caught on a stargate in hi-sec.

[10]What does local-content mean to you?
Means I dont have to travel far or long or wait down fatigue timers to get into PvP or PvE... It also means my capital ships or supers dont have to get nerfed for others to enjoy the game in their smaller ships in their immediate area




Also - Allow Caps and Supers into hi-sec via gates. You can keep the no cyno in hi-sec rule intact.

everything is fine with phoebe except

-should add drive fatigue too.
-Should add more fatique to Blops.
-Should reduce the mass a cyno let come through etc etc

I love sov , i lov people in it , i love caps and supers , i just don't love when bunch of retards lit cyno and come at 200 on a cruiser.

Gas stations in spaaaaace!

Sovereignty holders should be able to erect a structure in a system they control that reduces jump fatigue over time, for all alliance members within range.

Details

* Only one of these structures allowed per Alliance
* Structure is destructible
* Players are vulnerable while at the structure
* Can't be activated while system is cyno jammed

People without sov will just have to deal with the current fatigue or take sov if they wish to get the benefit.

Covert cyno/portaling should be exempt from the fatigue mechanic.

Any and all of the proposed mechanics that either require sov or are sov-exclusive are bad design choices. Yes, sov needs more benefits, but this is not the place to do it.

A)They increase the difficulty of new entities getting into the sov game, making invading even harder for the attacker as the defender has home field and mobility, and thus favors current sov holders immensely. It is almost just as bad as the old system, where you needed to get supercaps to take sov, but you needed sov to make supercaps, thus New Eden is trapped in stasis forevermore. You need mobility just as badly if you were to attack with caps as you would on defense. Yes defenders should have some advantage, but when/if caps are given more mobility, one should think, how would I ever get caps where I need them, as much as, how can I use caps to defend my space? The side with more mobile caps will almost always be at a hilariously large advantage, either in running away or out maneuvering any attackers. Basically, attackers need help too, as the current mechanics all but stop any chance of doing a capital deployment or campaign. Being able to use them in your home regions is important, yes, but having an innate mobility bonus when the logistics on the attacker side already are hard, just gives the defenders another advantage they don't need. When it is practical to attack with capitals, as well as defend, we will know things are in a good state; fixes that have sov as a prerequisite aren't really all that set up to help people on the offense.

B)There's an entire rest of the game out there. Sov is not everything. Important yes, but not the only game in town. WH people use caps, Lowsec people use caps, and NPC nullsec people, get this, use caps. If anything, players from those groups use them far more aggressively and with greater bravado than the blocs. Any fix should work for Sov focused players as well as others players equally well. People may not like all the playstyles out there, nor are they for everyone, but you should at least respect their place in the game. Capitals are not just a sov nullsec thing, they require a solution that will work for everyone.

This is the problem and your argument is invalid... The reason why 200 man gangs are dropping on your cruiser is they are bored and b due to the current mechanics 0.0 has become stagnant if you want the good solo fights fatigue isn't it

My aim was to give people back the ability to do multiply jumps per night in search of a fight, as apposed to logging of because fatigue stops you from playing.

A) Yeah sure it gives the sov holder a mobility advantage in that they can do more jumps but they still can't jump any further than everyone else. Plus, to reap these benefits, they need to make themselves vulnerable to attack.

The aggressor would plan their attack and siege specific systems, so they shouldn't need to jump around as much. If they want to level the playing filed, they can destroy the structure I proposing.

B) I didn't consider wormholes... I agree wormholes should have access to the 'gas station' structure because their power projection is limited by wormhole mass mechanics... As for the low sec - they already don't have to worry about interdiction bubble so, meh.

That's my opinion anyway...

Why can't the attackers just use a combination of wormholes, gates and cynos to get where they need to be? If you are looking for a return to the days where you could jump across the map in one night, I don't think that is going to happen.