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Noob Ventures into Low Sec. You can guess the outcome
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Loutro Fift
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2015-08-13 02:06:57 UTC
I've been on EVE almost a month. I've been getting my alt prepped for some PI. I've been spending a lot more time with her than I planned Big smile

I've been hanging around Arnon and was looking for some place a bit remote to do my PI and maybe some mining with my alt. I find Adirain in low sec. I warp with my Venture to the gate and scan. Nothing. I jump into low sec for the first time. I feel prepared.

It's empty.

I check out a few planets, go to a station. Everything seems good. I decide to mine a bit. I pop over to a belt. One rat. Launch my hobgoblins and move about. Except, this rat is stronger than previous rats I fought in high sec. My drones aren't doing much damage and suddenly my shield is gone and armor is at 50%. I warp to a station, repair, head back out to get my drones.

I grab the drones, get away before the rat can hit me. But...that feels like quitting. I head back, launch drones and let them work. I warp to the station when my shields are gone. Crap! Left the drones. I go back.

See where this is going? I don't like leaving crap behind. Same thing happens.

I want that rat gone! But all that is gone are my shields. And armor is at 50%, so I start to align to the station...suddenly I see a suspect character on my overview. Before I can even hit warp...my Venture goes...one shot! Before I can move my mouse to wrap the pod. Gone. I am naked in space. Felt kinda refreshing.

It was my own fault and here is what I learned:

  • Insurance is important, glad I had it
  • Clone was in order, glad I had it
  • Saving your ISK pennies is wise
  • Should have left the drones when my shields were gone and jumped back to Arnon
  • Low sec rats are tougher than high sec rates. Hobgoblins won't do
  • Remember what ship you are in! A Venture is for mining, not taking on rats.
  • Even if I had my main as support, I doubt he could have done any damage to the killer.


All in all in wasn't a bad experience, I stayed on sight longer than I should have. If I had seen him before I had taken a lot of damage, I am almost certain I could have warped out. Now I have a brand new Venture and may just go peeking around Adirain again.

Fear is for the weak.

Here is the kill
Tanuki Two
Caprican Autocracy
#2 - 2015-08-13 03:07:54 UTC
As a fairly new player to n lowsec myself, I'm also curious how a ship can be lo ked and shot so quickly. I've head people reference e 'insta-lock' ships, but not how it's done.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-08-13 03:14:07 UTC
remote sensor boosters usually on a T3 cruiser bonused for it.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-08-13 03:22:26 UTC
OP you will notice those belt rats get easier as you both gain personal game skills and knowledge as well as skill points. Skill points are not everything but for the first month for sure you will notice a big difference and even after that just to a lesser degree.

By the time you are a year old the new skills are nice to have but they make much less difference and take much longer.

Also fitting faction specific hardeners can help a lot as well as faction specific damage types and also learning about how damage is applied so that you can put the most damage on target as well as avoid as much damage as possible. Things like separating the rats so that you don't have to tank them all at once and controlling range are both pretty important.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#5 - 2015-08-13 03:24:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
ergherhdfgh wrote:
remote sensor boosters usually on a T3 cruiser bonused for it.
Multiple local sensor boosters with scan resolution scripts and appropriate rigs will also achieve pretty much the same thing.


For example the following, specialised, fit can lock a pod in around 1 second, it'll lock everything else in under that.
[Cormorant, Reach Out And Pod Me]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Warp Disruptor II

150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Targeting System Subcontroller I
Small Targeting System Subcontroller I
Small Targeting System Subcontroller I

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2015-08-13 03:39:04 UTC
Some thoughts from an alternative point of view.

I suggest a little more time in high sec in the .5 systems before venturing back into low why?
High sec will give you a better (read less expensive) way to learn the ins and outs of damage types, how to tank for them and how to use them to your benefit.

It will give you a better(again read cheaper) way to build your d-scan skills so they are more automatic in nature.

Ad there are many other things that a little dedicated high sec time could help with.

I am all for going off to explore the low sec side of the game, but I will be honest there are some things that are just easier and less expensive to learn in high sec before you venture forth. Others are likely to disagree with me and that is fine you need to hear and be exposed to many different points of view on these things, then you can make your own decision based n a wider array of information.
Loutro Fift
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#7 - 2015-08-13 05:47:14 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Some thoughts from an alternative point of view.

I suggest a little more time in high sec in the .5 systems before venturing back into low why?
High sec will give you a better (read less expensive) way to learn the ins and outs of damage types, how to tank for them and how to use them to your benefit.

It will give you a better(again read cheaper) way to build your d-scan skills so they are more automatic in nature.

Ad there are many other things that a little dedicated high sec time could help with.

I am all for going off to explore the low sec side of the game, but I will be honest there are some things that are just easier and less expensive to learn in high sec before you venture forth. Others are likely to disagree with me and that is fine you need to hear and be exposed to many different points of view on these things, then you can make your own decision based n a wider array of information.



Thanks.

Yeah, it was a risk and I learned my lesson. Just wanted to experience it.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#8 - 2015-08-13 06:38:47 UTC
Loutro Fift wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Some thoughts from an alternative point of view.

I suggest a little more time in high sec in the .5 systems before venturing back into low why?
High sec will give you a better (read less expensive) way to learn the ins and outs of damage types, how to tank for them and how to use them to your benefit.

It will give you a better(again read cheaper) way to build your d-scan skills so they are more automatic in nature.

Ad there are many other things that a little dedicated high sec time could help with.

I am all for going off to explore the low sec side of the game, but I will be honest there are some things that are just easier and less expensive to learn in high sec before you venture forth. Others are likely to disagree with me and that is fine you need to hear and be exposed to many different points of view on these things, then you can make your own decision based n a wider array of information.



Thanks.

Yeah, it was a risk and I learned my lesson. Just wanted to experience it.

Better now than later. Your equipment is still rather cheap. Don't hesitate to try it out again if you don't mind the losses. I've found the longer people avoid flying outside of highsec the harder it becomes for them to will themselves to do it.

There are all our dominion

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Haruchai Khan
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-08-13 08:06:31 UTC
Loutro Fift wrote:



Thanks.

Yeah, it was a risk and I learned my lesson. Just wanted to experience it.


Good idea. I spent my first two or three weeks or so in lowsec with FW getting blown to smithereens. I discovered what a gate camp looked like, how to avoid them, how to run away, how to use d-scan and rapidly learnt to recognise the names of ship types. I then went back to hisec with less anxiety about being exploded, and after a couple of months training and ratting, I feel more equipped to do the lowsec thing again.

Another great thing to do (suggested by Azda here) is get in a cheap ship and fly all the way to the other side of the map, deep into null sec. It's great fun and fascinating to see what goes on out there.

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
Avvy
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-08-13 09:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Loutro Fift wrote:


  • Insurance is important, glad I had it
  • Clone was in order, glad I had it



    • Unfortunately insurance is a complete waste of time for faction ships.


    'Clone was in order', that I find odd as I've been in-game 32 days and have not had to worry about having a clone in order.


    Edit:

    I suspect you are not new, other than a new character.

    Clone was in order, I guess you are referring to having to upgrade clones with isk so that you don't lose sp. Surprising what you learn in Rookie Help, pity Rookie Help is unavailable after 30 days. That system has not been in-game for at least 32 days.
    Isajah
    Imperial Shipment
    Amarr Empire
    #11 - 2015-08-13 10:35:37 UTC
    always passive align to a gate or celestial and have it selected, so 'warp to' shows up in the upper corner. keep the chat in view (there are plenty empty lowsec systems, you can jump out, the moment somenone else shows up)

    don't stay to close to the Warpin point
    locate a bookmark 160km away from the asteroids (Turning point) so you have an eye on the belt, can select the asteroid you want to mine and warp to it.

    since I fly a prospect lately, I have the finger on the covops shortcut and keep my 2km distance to the next asteroid.

    Me wants Comet mining
    Lan Wang
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #12 - 2015-08-13 10:56:58 UTC
    go back to lowsec, its the place you will learn to be aware and learn that dscan is a valuable tool

    Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

    Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
    Tipa Riot
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #13 - 2015-08-13 11:11:07 UTC
    Isajah wrote:
    always passive align to a gate or celestial and have it selected, so 'warp to' shows up in the upper corner.

    There is no such thing as "passive" align ... you are aligned or not, but aligning means traveling at 70% max speed in the desired direction, which may not be handy while mining (I know there are those higgs rigs now for the barges). But keeping an eye on local and dscan will tell you when to start your GTFO process ...

    I'm my own NPC alt.
    Johnathan Coffey
    Niforce Triggers
    #14 - 2015-08-13 12:08:19 UTC
    Congratulations on your first trip to lowsec. I can still remember my first excursion out of hisec, needless to say it ended in a similar manner. One thing I would advise you to do that has not been proposed yet is to always inspect whoever is on local chat with you. Bio, security status, corp/alliance description etc. are all valuable hints that can tell you whether or not you should be afraid of the person you're inspecting.

    First rule of EVE UI: right click EVERYTHING.
    Lan Wang
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #15 - 2015-08-13 12:11:09 UTC
    pirates little helper is a great tool for the above comment and just general low/null living

    Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

    Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
    Cara Forelli
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #16 - 2015-08-13 14:49:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
    1. I love the play on words

    2. Welcome to low sec! Next time shoot your killer a convo (you can find his name in your character sheet kill log under losses) and see if he has any tips for you (how he found you, ways to avoid getting caught, whether you stood a chance against him etc.) Not everyone will be looking to chat, but a surprisingly large proportion of players will give a few minutes to help out an eager newbro. Heck last week I spent a few hours explaining offensive/defensive dscan among other things after catching a newbro in a relic site. Afterward he said he was glad to have died because he got so much useful information out of the deal. I even gave his loot back for being a good sport, and because I'm an awful pirate. Big smile

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    Tipa Riot
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #17 - 2015-08-13 15:06:38 UTC
    Definitely, after kill conversations are the best (or worst) in the game.

    I'm my own NPC alt.
    Zihao
    Doomheim
    #18 - 2015-08-13 17:37:53 UTC
    Glad you made the best of things! My lessons learned in unsafe space are similar, but another important tidbit would be getting used to flying without implants and use jump clones to switch over to a attribute enhanced clone when you want to train faster but won't be undocking for a while. I usually leave my attribute clone on during the week while I am working and don't get to play much then switch to an empty clone on the weekend when I will be in wormholes all the time and just one wrong move away from losing my pod. This practice made me a lot more bold about flying into unknown space early on and I had more fun as a result.
    FT Diomedes
    The Graduates
    #19 - 2015-08-13 18:09:45 UTC
    Good story! Keep putting your toes in the water - if you stay in high sec you will not actually improve.

    CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

    Valerian STA
    Republic Military School
    Minmatar Republic
    #20 - 2015-08-13 21:36:38 UTC
    A Minmatar goes immediately to low sec...
    Natural, that's the way we do Smile

    Can't help you too much, not an expert (this two years old character in reality played for seven or eight months.) But regarding the rats at Minmatar space, those who have a bounty reward up until 50k you can kill them easily, maybe just using your drones. Use Warriors for explosive damage, the rats are Angels.

    Then you'll get rats that pays half a million. You'll need a destroyer for those.
    The better ones, 1M isk, you'll need a cruiser.
    (and probably some SP)
    Stay away from Mordu's something. Those will web point you and they hit hard. Kaboom! Big smile

    You can't mine at low-sec and expecting to keep on killing all rats. Well, at least for a new player.

    Be aware of real players, PVP lovers, those are much more dangerous than rats... fortunately Smile
    Cloaked alts can't be detected but they can, and surely do, send their main in tactical destroyers right on top of you. They enjoy killboard statistics no matter you are a real opponent for them or just a new player.

    The god news are that you'll also find players that will appear at your D-scan as well as combat probes. Retire immediately. Or attack them if you are willing to discover the PVP delights.Smile

    That's all I know. The rest it's up to you to discover. Smile

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