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Structure blog and sounding board

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corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-08-13 15:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: corbexx
The next structure blog is up http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/citadels-sieges-and-you/

CCP Nullabor is happy to come along and listen to people discuss issues on this topic.

It will be 17.00 eve time 18th of August.

This will be limited to 15 to 20 people.

TS details will be sent out the day of the sounding board and you'll need to log on to TS with who ever posts in this thread.

Here is a FAQ with some more stuff that may help. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mEbMx9xUXje3KH4AppvcjSSoALUVtVEaK6ZZ-zy2Lrs/preview?sle=true

CCP is also open to discussion on there being no asset safety in w space. so please discuss that as well.
Rob Kaichin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-08-13 15:31:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Rob Kaichin
First? *eh-hem*

I'm really looking forwards to this, and hope there will be lots of good questions.

Main important thing: Is this for Player to Player discussion (as is implied) or for Player to CSM discussion?

Is CCP Nullabor here as a silent party, or will he be speaking also?

If we establish this at the start, and keep reminding people, we can keep this on topic.

Rob K.

Just some questions I've wondered about:

(If I've missed the answer, please point it out to me politely. There's a lot here to read up on.)

-Jump Clones: will stored JC be lost if a structure is destroyed, or will they be transported away?

-Scalable upgrade costs? Null-sec examples are given, but no low-sec.

-General guideline costs for Citadels. (see above)

-What's the possibility of knocking out Citadel weapons? (I think I have missed this also)

-Combination of Unkillable weapons and no remote assistance on Entosis links ships.
Kynric
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#3 - 2015-08-13 15:42:35 UTC
What size hauler is required to move the M, L and XL deployables respectively? This is significant as it would limit what could be deployed where.
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
Riddle us this
#4 - 2015-08-13 15:54:31 UTC
Signing up for structure soundboard :)
gr33nCO
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#5 - 2015-08-13 16:04:46 UTC
Singing up to attend
Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#6 - 2015-08-13 16:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Braxus Deninard
Signing up for the structure soundboard as well.

I enjoy a lot of these changes but think the asset safety is a significant concern in w-space.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-08-13 16:11:32 UTC
Braxus Deninard wrote:
Signing up for the structure soundboard as well.

I enjoy a lot of these changes but think the asset safety is a significant concern in w-space.


asset safety is up for discussion in w space.
Enta en Bauldry
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-08-13 16:29:17 UTC
x
Urziel99
Multiplex Gaming
The Bastion
#9 - 2015-08-13 16:34:05 UTC
Count me in. I've been hasing out these structures for months on podside. Would be nice to talk both ways on this.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2015-08-13 16:34:05 UTC
is pee el allowed to attend this one?!

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Jezza McWaffle
Outfit 418
Blue Loot Not Included
#11 - 2015-08-13 16:52:37 UTC
I'll be there again.

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Jim Suletu
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#12 - 2015-08-13 16:59:11 UTC
I and one or two of my officers will be around :)
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
#13 - 2015-08-13 17:22:27 UTC
Will not be around, but I want to say after yesterdays roundtable "discussion" I have a newfound appreciation for these WH soundingboards.
Ruffio Sepico
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
#14 - 2015-08-13 17:24:37 UTC
corbexx wrote:
Braxus Deninard wrote:
Signing up for the structure soundboard as well.

I enjoy a lot of these changes but think the asset safety is a significant concern in w-space.


asset safety is up for discussion in w space.


It should be up for discussion for all space imho. Double standards just for wh space is silly. Magic loot fairy protection based on what part of space you live in is not very eve-like...

It would just encourage more players to go null (or other places) rather than wspace. Just let it all blow up for purdy kill mails and put the loot fairy to sleep. Much more healthy for the economy too. More stuff need to be replaced -)



Glasgow Dunlop
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#15 - 2015-08-13 17:27:26 UTC
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Maria Kitiare
NOMADS.
#16 - 2015-08-13 17:57:35 UTC
With a limitation at 20 attending, it might be a good idea to get a nice spread from the different areas of w-space instead of just first comes first served.

Anyway, x'ing up. But also asking, If I end up not being able to attend, can I send a different SSC'er in my place? :)
Kermit Pental
EVE University
Ivy League
#17 - 2015-08-13 18:06:18 UTC
Will try and be there for this might have to fake my death to get out of work early :D
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-08-13 18:06:34 UTC
Maria Kitiare wrote:
With a limitation at 20 attending, it might be a good idea to get a nice spread from the different areas of w-space instead of just first comes first served.

Anyway, x'ing up. But also asking, If I end up not being able to attend, can I send a different SSC'er in my place? :)


if we get over the number (depending on how many over) then yes i will be picking a cross section to get a decent spread of people.

yes you can send some one else but they will have to post on this thread.
Jeff Kione
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2015-08-13 18:54:35 UTC
Middle of the work day for us USTZ guys, so no x from me.

Few things I've been thinking about:

1. Asset protection in w-space obviously doesn't make sense and runs contrary to how things have been handled in the past. It seems weird that even in other areas of space that these structures (POS stand-ins) would not drop loot like POSes would. I don't like that I can fill my personal hangar with PLEX and have it returned to me after someone else blows up my Citadel.

The very fact that you can lose all of your belongings makes POSes inherently very valuable, which simultaneously makes them worth defending. I'm not sure you'd have the same effect with Citadels if your personal assets are never placed at risk.

Alternatives:

- Maybe some of your stuff drops as loot, some gets destroyed and the rest gets picked up by the movers? Now it's up to the RNG gods.

- Traditional loot dropping

2. Your defenses aren't automated? You're telling me that my behemoth of a Citadel isn't smart enough to defend itself when being attacked/ when a hostile is on grid? I can imagine that from a design point of view you want people actively defending but this means you always need to have someone (or an alt) sitting at your Citadel in order to defend it should someone try to knock over your sandcastle. I can see this becoming a problem similar to trollceptors in sov-null.

As it stands currently, I'm not afraid to leave my POS because my POS will defend itself against lone/ unorganized attackers even if I am somewhere down the chain. If the defenses aren't automated, however, if I am not there to personally guard my Citadel during vulnerability timers, I can be stuck with a reinforced structure that I need to show up later to defend (and chances are it was just a troll in the first place). This does not make sense to me.

I'm sure more will come to me as I continue to digest what I've read today.
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#20 - 2015-08-13 18:54:59 UTC
I will be there as well!

Wormholer for life.

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