EVE General Discussion

What is the dominant play style?

Low-sec and null essentially PvP.

High-sec PvE, you can't really count very new players as you don't know what their play style will be in the end. You can't count pirate corps plus you can't really count the alts that do PvE so that their mains can PvP. You can't count corps that wardec.

So you can't really claim PvE is the dominant play style in EVE.

Depends on what the data is looking at.

Even traders PvP, but I wouldn't mind betting that they appear in those stats as PvE. New players will appear as PvE because that's what the game gives them at the start.

There also seems to be PvE alts propping up their PvP mains, only reason they PvE is to get the funds to PvP.

I wouldn't put too much faith in those figures.


Edit:

Also until recently PvPers had to do missions for standing for jump clones or get them though their player corps or those kind enough to run a jump clone service.

The problem I see with that data is, PvP players won't be blowing things up as quickly as PvE players A PvP player will have to look or wait for their targets.

So how did it collect the data during the periods when the PvP players were hunting or just waiting for potential kills? How did it categorises the PvP players during those times?

I discount everyone that isnt a highsec player. wow, that was easy to say, a lot of crap but i think you should be able.....

Scratch that, given what you stated i better explain this.

Anyone can discount entire expanses of players baselessly because its easy to say and with the right words sh*t you pulled out of your rearend can actually sound like its based on some sort of fact, like the crap you posted.

High sec is where everyone starts. Anything wrong with that? No new starters allowed? On the fishing pier the other day the vets IDed the weird Sea Robin fish I ended up with for me. And told me what most around there do with them. Pretty cool of the guys, I thought. Being a new guy among vets, and doing noob stuff on their pier and all.

The beauty of High Sec is that it really opens up a variety of play styles. People who are here strictly for the PvP don't get that the real beauty of the game is that it's immersive. If you you like casually (but not too casually) flying around from starbase to starbase buying and selling stuff, there's a place for you. If you like the logistics of making stuff and figuring out how to make a profit, there's a place for you. If you like PvP, there are many places for you. I could go on and on, but the point is if you take away high sec, you take away so many of the features that people immerse themselves in that probably wouldn't exist if the world were all low/null. While some may believe that PvP is the main attraction, the attraction really is the variety of roles one can play in the sandbox. That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be risk everywhere you go... it means that if you're careful it's good to have places where you can enjoy the game in relative safety if that's what you want out of your gaming experience.

As far as those who want more lucrative rewards in low/null, I tend to agree with you, but it's hard to point fingers when the economy is player driven. This game is better than most when it comes to "king of the mountain" issues, but the best players will generally be drawn to the best corp, and whatever incentives you put in low/null to get people out there will tend to be dominated by the dominant corp. Let's say for just about any ship you build you absolutely need components that can only be found in low/null... that dominant corp will essentially be able to dictate price of those ships for the entire game, and will have a built in advantage from being knocked down by an upstart when they control that resource. Maybe a few crafty players can organize hit and run operations to take a nice little profit, but those would be operations with limited scope. It might lead to some epic battles in the short term as people vie for control of the resource(s), but in the end, people will tend to shy away from direct conflict when it becomes clear that they're not likely to win, and low/null becomes a boring place for the mighty dominant corp to sit on their treasure. In high sec, needing to pay crazy prices or take high risk to just to get middling ships will really take the teeth out of many of the roles that players enjoy about the game.

In all, I think the devs have figured out that people subscribe to play and enjoy, not to be forced to do things they don't want to do. They seem to strike a pretty good balance for the different game play options, without catering to carebears, gankers, or hard-core pvpers... and that's what makes the game vibrant and interesting.

No, what is really amazing is that after 10+ years there are still people clamouring for Eve to be turned into a PvE-focused theme-park game. You think they would have got the message by now.

Eve is, and was designed as a single-universe, full-time PvP sandbox. CCP has said this many time. CCP has written it clearly in multiple places in the New Pilot FAQ.

CCP cannot give in to the "dominant playstyle" you claim exists even if they wanted to, without completely killing the original design of the game. The player-driven economy would immediately be destroyed, removing the meaning and rewards for the "dominant playstyle".

Eve is a single universe. PvP needs PvE/Industry for ships, and PvE/Industry needs PvP for demand. No one would want your mission rewards, minerals or manufactured goods if nothing was ever lost. If you want the experience of mining or missioning for no rewards, just go play on the test server where you also get the bonus of having non-consensual PvP prohibited. But you won't, because these activities are meaningless, or at least boring if they provide no rewards.

Ships need to explode, everywhere, or no one will want anything you produce. If some players are so sensitive that can't handle loss they they probably have no place in this game which is built on loss.

That said there is room to make Eve's PvE better. But for the game to remain healthy, a vibrant PvP ecosystem must be present to drive demand for industrial activities. Hence CCP's recent focus on making PvP better and trying to stoke conflict in the game. Let's hope they can get people fighting again, and having fun while they do it, so they can perhaps spend some energies revamping the PvE side of the game in the near future.

This whole high-sec fiasco started when the CODE. guys appeared.

Can confirm that a contact of mine was ganked even when mining with a permit and accused of "bot-aspirancy" or whatever. Everywhere I go, I see Tornadoes and Machariels on gate, and huge Catalyst graveyards and the cops all around them.

You're right, OP. High-sec is really becoming a mess.

What problem are you trying to solve?

I do not. The data aren't even clear that there is more ganking going on than in the past. In fact, highsec has never been safer.

Not sure what rock you live under or data you are seeing but I am sure most who live in high sec would totally disagree with you on that. Though thank you for the good laugh.