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Cloaking While Being Targeted

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Sevyn Chambernique
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#1 - 2015-08-13 00:30:20 UTC
Hi,

For a covert ops ship, I know you can not activate cloak if you are targeted. I know that once a lock is established you can't cloak. My question is can you still activate cloak if someone is attempting to target you and you see the flashing targeting on your overview but has yet to set?

Thank you.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2015-08-13 00:35:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
You can cloak while they're in the process of targeting you .

Tip: the yellow box indicates they have a lock on you but haven't activated any modules yet.

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Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2015-08-13 00:38:16 UTC
Confirming you can cloak until a target lock is acquired.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#4 - 2015-08-13 03:46:45 UTC
Not arguing just going to put another thought into this.

In my experiences is comes down to server ticks. If the servers register your request to cloak before their request to target you will cloak. If the server registers their request to target before your request to cloak then you ill not.
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#5 - 2015-08-13 06:48:34 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Not arguing just going to put another thought into this.

In my experiences is comes down to server ticks. If the servers register your request to cloak before their request to target you will cloak. If the server registers their request to target before your request to cloak then you ill not.

This is my experience as well.

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Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-08-13 07:30:55 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Not arguing just going to put another thought into this.

In my experiences is comes down to server ticks. If the servers register your request to cloak before their request to target you will cloak. If the server registers their request to target before your request to cloak then you ill not.


Not their request to target but the server's acknowledgement that they HAVE targeted you.
ISD Buldath
#7 - 2015-08-13 07:36:18 UTC
As others have stated, yes. As long as the player has not fully completed the act of targeting you, you can still cloak.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2015-08-13 09:04:55 UTC
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Not arguing just going to put another thought into this.

In my experiences is comes down to server ticks. If the servers register your request to cloak before their request to target you will cloak. If the server registers their request to target before your request to cloak then you ill not.


Not their request to target but the server's acknowledgement that they HAVE targeted you.

Bingo, it only comes down to server tics with crazy high scanrez stuff like sebo'd legions and ceptors

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Cherri Minoa
Serendipity Technologies Inc
#9 - 2015-08-13 10:13:27 UTC
This may seem obvious, but its worth repeating because I know it confuses newer players:

Other ship has activated an offensive module on you: you see a RED BOX
Other ship has obtained a target lock on you: you see a YELLOW BOX
Other ship is in the process of target locking you: you see NOTHING

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#10 - 2015-08-13 13:48:28 UTC
Experiment for all to try.
Put character 1 is a slow lock ship so you have a little time to switch between characters.
Put character 2 in a ship with cloak.

Have character 1 start to target character 2 then quickly switch screens and have character 2 try to cloak, they will not be able to even if character 1 has not yet got a full target lock. Despite what is often stated it seems to be the act of targeting a ship and not the actual target lock that is critical.

Start with character 2 and start the cloak process and then quickly switch to character 1 to start targeting and they will not be able to because character 1 is considered to be cloaked even though their ship might still be visible.

Have not tested this myself since the most recent updates but it has been this way since I started playing the game.
Cannot check it now as I do not have access to EvE from where I am. I will run this test again later today to see if it has changed.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#11 - 2015-08-13 14:02:46 UTC
First off, re-stating for emphasis that if you are yellow-boxed, that ship has a successful target lock on you. You receive no indication of a lock in progress.

Donnachadh wrote:
Experiment for all to try.
Put character 1 is a slow lock ship so you have a little time to switch between characters.
Put character 2 in a ship with cloak.

Have character 1 start to target character 2 then quickly switch screens and have character 2 try to cloak, they will not be able to even if character 1 has not yet got a full target lock. Despite what is often stated it seems to be the act of targeting a ship and not the actual target lock that is critical.

Start with character 2 and start the cloak process and then quickly switch to character 1 to start targeting and they will not be able to because character 1 is considered to be cloaked even though their ship might still be visible.

Have not tested this myself since the most recent updates but it has been this way since I started playing the game.
Cannot check it now as I do not have access to EvE from where I am. I will run this test again later today to see if it has changed.

I have had the same experience in the past, but like you haven't tested recently.

As soon as the server recognizes a ship as being locked, it cannot cloak.

As soon as a ship initiates a cloak, any in-progress target lock attempts on it will fail even if the cloaked ship still shows up as visible pending server updates.

Due to the 1Hz server update rate, this means that locks and cloaks may fail or succeed before you're actually aware of them.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#12 - 2015-08-14 01:26:49 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
First off, re-stating for emphasis that if you are yellow-boxed, that ship has a successful target lock on you. You receive no indication of a lock in progress.

Why do you assume that I am not aware of this thus making you feel like you must repeat it?
Setting that aside when testing these things I simply do not care or even look at the damned indicators in the overview. All I care about is what the game tells me about my ability to cloak.

Bronson Hughes wrote:
Due to the 1Hz server update rate, this means that locks and cloaks may fail or succeed before you're actually aware of them.

To paraphrase this and please correct me if I am wrong, it all comes down to server ticks as I originally stated.

Tested this just before I logged on here courtesy of a friend who stopped by.
And indeed it all seems to come down not only to server ticks but it appears from non-scientific tests that internet connection speeds may play a role here as well. My land line based connection is faster than his cell connection on his lap top, and as close as we can come in these crude tests if we press the keys at the same time I always cloak.

Again very non-scientific test and therefore the results are subject to all manor of external factors that we cannot isolate or eliminate so there you have it as I stated this morning tested as promised.