EVE General Discussion

I dont think changes to HS would result in more NS activity, except on the part of players who have entities already in both.
And that would have to happen by reducing HS profits as preferable to increasing rote NS profits.

Reducing HS rules of engagement would just result in even more HS cross-activity by players with entities in both HS and NS, as well as commensurately reducing the otherwise exclusively HS player base who dont want risk, as well as nominally risk averse NS players who are also working in HS on other accounts.

NS is ultimately player determined.
Yes, CCP provides and delineates the framework for mechanics, but those are arbitrary and secondary to player choices in NS.
By point of comparison, HS is far more restricted by CCP mechanics, but still players there also make choices within those restrictions related to their own sandbox experience.

I dont buy into blaming CCP.
Disagree with their choices all you want, but it doesnt change the basic reality than nobody has more invested in this game, and more interest in its success, and does more work to improve it, than they do.

NS is structurally far less restricted than HS, so the impetus and responsibility for content creation both falls upon and is enabled for its population.

The ultimate solution for NS, is to make all rules and mechanics go away.
Meaning anything and everything there exist only so long as until it is destroyed.
No CCP handholding, no timers, no excuses.
This has an appeal to it, and is universally fair, and would "fix" some concerns.
But also means everything you have built and invested in might be gone the next time you log in after necessarily having to go to sleep or go to work.
So regulative and restrictive mechanics are necessary, even and especially in NS, moreso than in HS.

Edited for simplicity.

Nerf HS profits and further restrict transit of material to and from it.

HS can manage with less profit due to safe resource aquisition/transportation, massive trade hubs, production infrastructure and connectivity.

NS, however, is playing both fields with alts and leaching off HS rather than focusing its accounts in NS.

It's a very real sense of security. Just because it's not 100% secure does not negate the fact that it is far more secure than the alternative. Compare auto piloting in high sec to manual piloting a freighter in low sec or null (imagine further if null/low had high sec player concentrations). Still much safer. Auto piloting anything worthwhile is silly in my opinion, but I think the people doing it are super rich, make it up in like a day and don't really care that much. That's how it sounds when they talk in local. The ease of auto pilot outweighs the rare loss.

If there was no CONCORD there would be no trade or anything accept for the few with rich active corps who could escort freighters. Even though such dynamics sounds great on paper they would limit the game to very active very social players. CCP's own statistic they display during their Fanfests show that most EVE players do not fall into that category. Like 90% would probably quit the game. It would not be fun for the typical EVE player to have no sense of peace anywhere. Everything you do would require a PvP fit and every player you came across would be assumed aggressive (like null/low) and everyone would just be running from or chasing each other. The game would tank in 2 months flat. Can you imagine low sec with a high sec population? You people can't be serious.

This is the reason that so-called PvPers are in high sec. Because they are the minority and the majority of people aren't interested in that type of gameplay they have to impose on the PvE types. You'd think that the lack of people in low sec would be indication enough. Yet somehow they are able to, through great mental gymnastics, convince themselves that the entire game should be altered to fit their niche play style.

If high sec ganking was really this huge epidemic why would we need no high sec? Would not the freight pilots start becoming more careful in high sec? Wouldn't the miners be more attentive in high sec? Apparently, the gankers aren't making big enough of an impact. And let's face it. If gankers were making a huge impact and people were quitting due to ganking left and right CCP would further strengthen high sec safety to keep the pew pew idiots from driving away the bulk of their income. They'd buff empire NPC forces, stop allowing enemies of the state to dock at stations, CONCORD would attack any flashing red types as soon as they entered a system, NPC police would pod players (and they'd have no clones allowed in high or low sec), make looting the wrecks of ganked ships give huge negative faction hits (and flag you as a combatant so you can't dock or jump) and make high sec truly off limits to people with crap standings. Such changes might actually make things better for you as the PvP crowd would be forced to stay in low sec. More PvPers for you to fight, right? How about decreasing the number of lower sec locations even more and you'd all be nicely bottled up in a relatively small area where you shouldn't have any issues finding another player to fight.

That is the opposite end of the spectrum. The feeling you get when you read that is the same feeling the so-called carebears get when you start talking about getting rid of high sec.

All of Eve is PvP. This is off-topic, but I suggest as a new player you read the New Pilot FAQ to better understand what type of game this is.

It is a single-universe PvP sandbox game, and as such, what would be the point of doing PvE or industry if nothing is ever consumed? The only reason these activities have meaning or the things they create have value so that other people want to pay you for them is because they are used, and lost, in ship combat with other players.

But yes, to your main point - we need highsec. Players need to be able to tune their risk tolerance for many reasons (including being new) so having some safer (but not safe) space is necessary. That said, just because you are new does not mean you cannot explore outside highsec. Don't be afraid to see New Eden and have some adventures - the worst that can happen is you wake up in your home station but you could learn stuff, meet people and have fun along the way.

For everyone saying "Nerf high sec profits", remember one of the most profitable activities in high sec: Station trading. Changes to missions, mining or exploration will have little effect on the profit one can make on station trading. You don't even need to undock!

The pvp'rs don't want this because it would show that their play style is not the dominant play style. Which we already know.

This would also force the hi-sec pvp'rs who keep going on about everyone being risk averse to actually have to fight the pvp'rs who actively play in null and low. Again, they do not want this.

In the end it all doesn't matter because the so called pvp'rs will just carry on with more posts.

It's not very practical anyway. splitting the community in two, when you have such a large universe.

Plus CCP wouldn't be able to say something along the lines of all players in one universe. Which is a selling point for some people.

They would also have to have twice the amount of servers/hardware. On top of that they would have more programming to do as both PvE players and PvP players would require different things. So two lots of software to update and maintain. It simply wouldn't be worth the cost.


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PvP regions and PvE regions sharing the same universe wouldn't work either.

Are ships not blown up in high sec too?

All these posts make it seem like high sec is this place where no one ever dies, instead of the place where ships die the most.

Low SP people are plenty useful in Null, if they have the time to participate in the corps activities and match the corps timezone with often & regular play sessions.

The real barrier to play in Low/Null/WH's is time and availability. You need to be able to invest a lot of time into EVE, and have a regular availability that is good for the corps.
If you shift work, live in an irregular time zone, or only play a few hours a week, you are pretty much s* out of luck.

And that is the real reason so many people play in high. It's easier to be a 'casual' in high.

The game has been out for 10+ years. If the dominant play style isn't in your part of the sand box do you really think forcing that play style on them is magically going to change that?

No need to answer. We all know the answer....no. But continue on thinking forcing someone to do something will make them stick arounf when they have another option, leave.