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Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2015-08-12 21:30:40 UTC
Remove Sov. Seriously. Why not?

Stations can be conquered by bashing them as usual.
Supers can be built anywhere in null.

Why do we need to form 100 man snore fleets to maintain sov?

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Ima GoodGirl
Aria Shi's Wasted ISK
#2 - 2015-08-12 22:02:13 UTC
"You can have sov or you can have fun" - CCP Fozzie 2015

It's impossible for everyone in the game to be having fun and that's by design.

That's why sov must stay. No fun for you.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2015-08-12 22:05:18 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Remove Sov. Seriously. Why not?

Stations can be conquered by bashing them as usual.
Supers can be built anywhere in null.

Why do we need to form 100 man snore fleets to maintain sov?



Agreed. Hi-sec empires must go. Just space and some ships. Clean, simple, pure.




Oh wait. You meant other people's sov.

Sorry.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2015-08-12 22:08:38 UTC
This has probably nothing to do with all those active timers in fountain that are on BL sov structures....




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2015-08-12 22:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Malcanis wrote:

Agreed. Hi-sec empires must go. Just space and some ships. Clean, simple, pure.
Oh wait. You meant other people's sov.
Sorry.

Why do you want sov? so you can have a system show up on a map with your name on it? Thousands of nullsec players spend thousands of hours to maintain your name on a jpeg?

Something should certainly be done about highsec as well, but thats got nothing to do with the 00 sov issues.


Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
This has probably nothing to do with all those active timers in fountain that are on BL sov structures....


No, it doesnt, actually. The sov snore fleets have been an issue since as long as i can remember. They changed ammo grind to entosis grind but its still just as snoozy. From what i understand, nobody in alliance gives a **** about most of the sov we have. in fact, we're looking forward to having someone come and take it so we have something to shoot.

Ima GoodGirl wrote:
"You can have sov or you can have fun" - CCP Fozzie 2015

It's impossible for everyone in the game to be having fun and that's by design.

That's why sov must stay. No fun for you.

I vote for fun. I dont think anyone really needs sov. If we really need to have alliance names appear on the sov map to make our penises hard, then maybe base it on how many players we have active in the system each day?

But im asking an honest question, why do we actually NEED sov? It seems to me that the problem isnt any particular implementation of sov, but sov itself. Cant it be replaced with other mechanics?

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6 - 2015-08-12 22:15:37 UTC
I want to say something here, but where do I even start?

I think I'll just sit this one out and enjoy the show.

Mr Epeen Cool
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-08-12 22:17:51 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I want to say something here, but where do I even start?

I think I'll just sit this one out and enjoy the show.

Mr Epeen Cool

you dont have a monocle so whatever you wanted to say is invalid. Come back when you have appropriate eyewear.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Memphis Baas
#8 - 2015-08-12 22:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
Make sov holders pay hosting, internet access, maintenance, and tech support fees for the nodes they're holding sov over. Seriously. Why not?

Just nuke the Russians (or the Chinese). Seriously. Why not?
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2015-08-12 22:27:59 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Make sov holders pay hosting, internet access, maintenance, and tech support fees for the nodes they're holding sov over. Seriously. Why not?

Stupid ideas are stupid. Seriously. Why not?

If you had a monocle maybe you'd have been able read the thread topic. I said remove sov. Not modify it. Remove.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#10 - 2015-08-12 22:30:13 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
This has probably nothing to do with all those active timers in fountain that are on BL sov structures....


No, it doesnt, actually. The sov snore fleets have been an issue since as long as i can remember. They changed ammo grind to entosis grind but its still just as snoozy. From what i understand, nobody in alliance gives a **** about most of the sov we have. in fact, we're looking forward to having someone come and take it so we have something to shoot.


The forums heard it here first folks, straight from the BL mouthpiece. "BL didn't want that sov anyways."

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Memphis Baas
#11 - 2015-08-12 22:30:45 UTC
Yeah you said "remove" and you want us to explain the many reasons why your idea is stupid. Right?

You promise not to tldr?
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-08-12 22:32:44 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Remove Sov. Seriously.


Don't need any changes to Supers build mechanics if they do this... CCP would effectively "FIX THE GLITCH"

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#13 - 2015-08-12 22:40:16 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I want to say something here, but where do I even start?

I think I'll just sit this one out and enjoy the show.

Mr Epeen Cool




I'm with the internet penis on this one.

I mean, literally. I don't play on that team.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2015-08-12 22:40:56 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Remove Sov. Seriously.


Don't need any changes to Supers build mechanics if they do this... CCP would effectively "FIX THE GLITCH"

lol.

yea, other mechanics based around sov would obviously need to change, but i dont see the problem with that. Just allow supers to be built anywhere, without sov. I dont see the problem with that. If you want to build a titan in space you dont effectively control, more killmails for everyone else.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-08-12 22:41:41 UTC
But but I thought sov null was end game, where the real players go?
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-08-12 22:42:27 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Remove Sov. Seriously.


Don't need any changes to Supers build mechanics if they do this... CCP would effectively "FIX THE GLITCH"

lol.

yea, other mechanics based around sov would obviously need to change, but i dont see the problem with that. Just allow supers to be built anywhere, without sov. I dont see the problem with that. If you want to build a titan in space you dont effectively control, more killmails for everyone else.



No no, I think your idea was crap.

But I think Supers are crap too.

So I guess I am going to be on TEAM EPEEN and sit back and watch your inevitably locked thread.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Chesty Leroux
The BatCave
#17 - 2015-08-12 22:50:43 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
you dont have a monocle so whatever you wanted to say is invalid. Come back when you have appropriate eyewear.


Monocles are the preferred eyewear for taking over sovereignty. For removing sovereignty altogether, I think you want an eyepatch.
Marsha Mallow
#18 - 2015-08-12 22:52:46 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
I said remove sov. Not modify it. Remove.

If you lose it, it will have been removed. For you. No need to REMOVE SOV ALTOGETHER just so no-one will notice you can't hang onto it.

Repeat after me: ~Didn't want that sov anyway~

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#19 - 2015-08-12 22:57:55 UTC
Almost forgot, here is a small blurb about the majestic Narwhal. You can go ahead and read that while your space, that you didn't want anyways..remember, is slowly taken from you.




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2015-08-12 23:00:32 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
sit back and watch your inevitably locked thread.

i just dont see anyone putting forward any real solutions to sov. i cant think of any real solutions to it ether.
I think the issue is sov itself, and i dont see any vital need for it.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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