Player Features and Ideas Discussion

"and then who has the biggest fleet wins all the fights and is getting even richer"
Deklein 2.0 :)

We need the commonly proposed idea thread back because this comes up every 10 days and we have to explain why it is not that easy and that there is meta game and stuff.

This idea is old and it comes by every week for the last 8 years.
PVP is divided in 2 parts large scale fleet fights with 100-5000players per battle created mostly by metagame and smallscale fights which are created by people who are just searching for targets.
Large scale is not driven by ressources since 2009 with the introducition of system upgrades and better distribution of valuable moons.
Small scale is entirely driven by idea to go out and fight but most people do not realize that the use of very powerful fleet setups will result in less fights.
Most homedefense fleets are are only willing to engage such powerful fleets if they do not outnumber them.

No, there are plenty of reasons to fight. The problem is it's more profitable not to fight for the big guys, and to just sit there and reap the rewards, ala rental empires.
And they have so many resources already built up they can crush any small new group, assuming the small new group somehow avoids infiltration from a million spies and sleeper agents.

Look at the CCP data from Fanfest on average age of characters in alliances and average number of alts. And you will start to see the picture. While they didn't label the age of characters it's fairly easy to approximate anyway, and you can tell that even Brave, the 'newbie' alliance seem to average about two years in age, that's average, not max. While most of the big players average 5 years or more for the character age in the alliance.

Those old characters clumping together in large alliances for safety of their assets is the prime cause of any stagnation, nothing to do with any game mechanics.

But if you do more to promote for pvp, you slowly eat up them assets, even if Goons lose enough the 100's of trillions in assets will get smaller and smaller, make them rethink strategies. Have to promote more pvp, not say, well, nothing we can do, its just the way it is. That is like the movement in the late 19th century to close the patent office cause they felt everything that could be invented was invented.

That is true, but what does that have to do with the idea that I proposed? I am talking about encouraging more PVP not killing coalitions, though that would be good also, but much harder to do. Make something lucrative that you not need 1,000+ pilots to take and hold, something that spawns randomly anywhere in low or null and many will scramble to try for it and others to kill those that try to.

Oh boy, poor OP got ignored all the time he asked for pvp in local. Wait, maybe OP got too often neut RR support everytime he did engage someone on undock. Or maybe he is too small for big fish and too big for a smaller ones.

Yes, please, hand even more money to the seriously well organised groups.

(That's us, FYI.)

too tired after way too early start to day to even go grrrr goons with even false motivation lol.





As mentioned op this is incursions.

there is also the frequent move moon goo around idea (problematic idea....lots of threads to cover, read and enjoy those).


And op you are assuming "blob" 0.0 doesn't know how to move around with *sigh* fatigue and *sigh* jump range to give the smaller crews a more fair shot at this. The true core people of these crews are not represented by many of their ship toasters here in the whine threads. the big crews have been around a while....they know a few old tricks and are open to learning new ones. Kind of why many crews been around quite a few years. They play the system. CCP changes system....they learn to play that new system.

Why they don't clamp down with a no crap posting on eve forums rule like some homes I have been have done....you'd have to ask them. My guess its just part of some meta game they play really.

Are you an PL's alt who is asking about free fights? You probably have missed that war and pvp are not the same. pvp is a part of war but there are plenty pvp running without wars. The war machine requires fuel. And big coalitions are not willing to burn that on a daily bases.
There are lot of small scale pvp arround and you know that. The only null sec was stagnant not the whole Eve.