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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2015-08-12 11:40:15 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
And now here we all are together ... so who wants a taco?


If it's pink I'll take some.

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Twulf
Thunder Clap Industry
#62 - 2015-08-12 12:21:50 UTC
This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away.

What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off?

To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#63 - 2015-08-12 12:24:02 UTC
Twulf wrote:
This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away.

What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off?

To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies


what?

if you are refering to wardeccers etc, i did have this outlook to it all but ive noticed these highsec mercs and gankers actually help new players more than most, what have you done to help a noob?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#64 - 2015-08-12 12:47:55 UTC
Twulf wrote:
This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away.

What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off?

To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies

Nothings changed, it's the way it's been. Actually easier a bit, too much in ways, advertising to people as if it's so easy then get a rude awakening. People that want it easy really should go play a different game. EVE needs to retain it's bad boy reputation to attract the right players, and especially keep the ones that have shown interest here for years and stick around.

Numbers are not down, just multi-boxing is, while multi character training is up since it's introduction.

I'm in it for the money

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ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#65 - 2015-08-12 14:57:08 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Athechu
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
~~stuff~~

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.


not empty quoting

This about covers it. Eve is meant to have very few boundaries in order to enable a viscerally competitive playground. That includes big fish preying on little fish.

However, there are rules against harassing new players in/near starter systems. In a limited set of locations around Eve, taking advantage of newbies is prohibited. I don't know where your altercation happened, but if you believe it to be cause for CCP to take action, please file a support ticket to get a CCP game master to look at it. The rulings are made on a case by case basis, so I recommend courtesy and providing all relevant information.

Good luck, and welcome to Eve!


I haven't read the rest of the thread as of yet but..... (E: just read the rest of the thread)

Just following up on ISD LackOfFaith any of the systems that's a Starter System, Career Agent System or Sisters of EVE Epic Arc (Arnon) are covered under the no harassment of rookie pilots. If this happens to you while in one of the systems indicated please file a support ticket under harassment and a GM will get to you as soon as they can.

Wiki Article: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems
Help Article: https://ccpcommunity.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing
Senior GM post about harassment of rookie pilots: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1192090#post1192090

ISD Athechu

STAR Executive

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#66 - 2015-08-12 15:43:14 UTC
Twulf wrote:
This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away.
Eve's population is lower than that of some other MMO's because it's not aimed at the majority of MMO players; if it was it probably would have died long ago.

Quote:
What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off?
People have been claiming Eve is dying because of the nature of the game for the last decade or more, it's still not dead and we're still playing.

Quote:
To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies
Nope, the Eve community is made up of people who are playing a game within the rules as set forth by CCP, nobody is forcing you to play a game you don't like the rules of.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2015-08-12 19:42:43 UTC
ISD Athechu wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
~~stuff~~

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.


not empty quoting

This about covers it. Eve is meant to have very few boundaries in order to enable a viscerally competitive playground. That includes big fish preying on little fish.

However, there are rules against harassing new players in/near starter systems. In a limited set of locations around Eve, taking advantage of newbies is prohibited. I don't know where your altercation happened, but if you believe it to be cause for CCP to take action, please file a support ticket to get a CCP game master to look at it. The rulings are made on a case by case basis, so I recommend courtesy and providing all relevant information.

Good luck, and welcome to Eve!


I haven't read the rest of the thread as of yet but..... (E: just read the rest of the thread)

Just following up on ISD LackOfFaith any of the systems that's a Starter System, Career Agent System or Sisters of EVE Epic Arc (Arnon) are covered under the no harassment of rookie pilots. If this happens to you while in one of the systems indicated please file a support ticket under harassment and a GM will get to you as soon as they can.

Wiki Article: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems
Help Article: https://ccpcommunity.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing
Senior GM post about harassment of rookie pilots: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1192090#post1192090

Excellent work at digging up the GM post. I remember when those changes were made active.

Here's a couple more links to replies from the GM about the policy pertaining to Rookie's :

History Lesson

Defining Rules

Candi LeMew wrote:
Sadly I think that's actually more common than we think here in NQ&A.

But people will always do what they're allowed to get away with.

I used to enjoy posting help in this subsection a bit, but would often find myself too distracted by the flamey or arrogant responses from some vets and ultimately just end up in arguments with them myself more than actually making helpful posts. That's not fun or helpful so I just gave up posting in the end, unless I see a question that's directly related to what I enjoy in EVE so I can contribute something useful.

Very well written, I feel the same way and agree 100%



DMC

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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2015-08-12 21:57:49 UTC
+1 Jonah Gravenstein.

If I had an isk for every time I've heard "Eve will die because newbs go back to WoW". I'd own a fleet of titans by now.
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2015-08-12 21:59:33 UTC
CCP itself offers the best advice to new players anyone could give.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Cobbler Khan
Doomheim
#70 - 2015-08-12 22:36:59 UTC
I agree with both sides

Sure pvp everywhere is part of the game. BUT eve is allready one of the hardest games to learn. Having new players get bullied by vets is just not cool and it makes no one want to learn eve. Just because you want to only pvp doesnt mean forcing people to pvp you is fun for them.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2015-08-12 22:51:35 UTC
Twulf wrote:
This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away.

What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off?

To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies



It's a dog-eat-dog world, don't wanna get eaten? Better start eating.

Art of Explosions
Cobbler Khan
Doomheim
#72 - 2015-08-13 00:02:25 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Twulf wrote:
This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away.

What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off?

To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies



It's a dog-eat-dog world, don't wanna get eaten? Better start eating.


Case and point
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#73 - 2015-08-13 01:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Cobbler Khan wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Twulf wrote:
This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away.

What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off?

To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies



It's a dog-eat-dog world, don't wanna get eaten? Better start eating.


Case and point
It's a dog eat dog world by design, the whole game revolves around conflict. Everybody starts off as a little fish in a sea full of bigger and nastier fish; if you want to become a bigger fish you consume resources or the other little fish, to consume the bigger fish you take a leaf out of nature's book and use numbers to overwhelm them.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#74 - 2015-08-13 03:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Cobbler Khan wrote:
I agree with both sides

Sure pvp everywhere is part of the game. BUT eve is allready one of the hardest games to learn. Having new players get bullied by vets is just not cool and it makes no one want to learn eve. Just because you want to only pvp doesnt mean forcing people to pvp you is fun for them.

This happens to newbies and vets alike flying mining ships. Why should newbies get special treatment, to ragequit later? This didn't even actually happen to the OP, but the guy it did happen to got right back out there. imo that says a lot at least for that player.


edit: I mean special treatment other than posting in it NCQA, and imo the OP got some really good answers even if he didn't really pose a question nor give correct details; but it's ncqa. We can have fair debates on this in GD with generally minimal name calling, like happens every week around this type of topic.

I'm in it for the money

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#75 - 2015-08-13 03:50:43 UTC
Tarrum Tivianne wrote:

Dear EVE,

I have just started eve a few days ago, caught on quickly, love this game.
Am on 30 day trial and doing tutorials on windows 10, fast quick no problems, as with all my games.

Today only playing a few days, close to the end of my tutorial i came across a problem i was warned about, code extortion.

I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon, local chat: Codebandit to Cusin Boneless "10 mill to mine", "prmise i wont pew ya"....

Well, got to more reading on the forums, alas i am now very disappointed in the community of eve.
Other games have pvp/pve, BUT they have consentual and/or areas where new player will have to go eventually for open pvp.

Open PVP is ok, BUT to extort new players in or near new player schools, when others like me on trial see this, guess what, i will not be subscribing, dang it.

BTW, i have a screenshot of the hud and conversation window.

Thank you all, and good luck.

Step 1: Gamer see dank BR-5 or "This is EvE" video
Step 2: Player joins EvE online
Step 3: Player gets ganked or stuck on the pve hamster wheel in hisec
Step 4: Player quits EvE
Step 5: Goto Step 1

It's time.

F

Would you like to know more?
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#76 - 2015-08-13 10:46:04 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Step 1: Gamer see dank BR-5 or "This is EvE" video
Step 2: Player joins EvE online
Step 3: Player gets ganked or stuck on the pve hamster wheel in hisec
Step 4: Player quits EvE
Step 5: Goto Step 1

Bah I'll tell you what happen rather than go to your pointless blog with ip tracking, since you didn't actually read the thread.

1. trial newbie gates out of starting system.
2. in another system, trial newbie ignores local chat while some incident happens that he was entirely not involved in.
3. trial newbie returns to starting system.
4. trial newbie finally reads chat and thinks it's happening right then in the starting system he's in (am I wrong?! no)
5. trial newbies heads to forums.
6. you don't bother to read thread and post your blog.

meh

I'm in it for the money

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Hydran Aphobia
Doomheim
#77 - 2015-08-20 22:14:29 UTC
Here is my take on this,

1. Every poster has told the new player to get out. Biomass yourselves and quit EVE. Yes Seriously. You all are a cancer that is standing in the way of EVE's growth potential.

2. The remaining people who actually have something positive to say. Grab the newbie by the hand, explain to him what he did wrong and guide him toward the proper mindset to EVE.

If both these things happened, EVE would gain 2-3 new players with the "right" mindset for every bitter vet that biomasses him or herself and I can live with that kind of math.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2015-08-20 23:00:07 UTC
Hydran Aphobia wrote:
Here is my take on this,

1. Every poster has told the new player to get out. Biomass yourselves and quit EVE. Yes Seriously. You all are a cancer that is standing in the way of EVE's growth potential.

Why should I biomass myself? because you said so? I don't think so. I enjoy the game and I'll continue to play it as long as I continue to enjoy it. Your wanting me here or not can only encourage me.

Hydran Aphobia wrote:

2. The remaining people who actually have something positive to say. Grab the newbie by the hand, explain to him what he did wrong and guide him toward the proper mindset to EVE.

Grab him by the hand? seriously?!!! Because that is what eve is about and that would be similar to the rest of his game experience? This is a harsh PvP game the OP either is good with that or he will wind up rage quitting sooner or later. I am just trying to be helpful and tell the OP the game is obviously not for him and save him the headaches down the road.

You seem to want to pretend this game is "Hello Kitty Island Adventure" which it certainly is not. The sooner the OP realizes that the better off he'll be.

Hydran Aphobia wrote:

If both these things happened, EVE would gain 2-3 new players with the "right" mindset for every bitter vet that biomasses him or herself and I can live with that kind of math.

I'm not sure what you are calling ""the "right" mindset"" but the OP clearly does not have what it takes to make it in Eve. If the bitter vets that do all biomassed then there would be no one left playing this game since these new players with the "right mindset" would not stick around.

Eve is a harsh game. We could soften it up and turn it into every other MMO out there or the people that like softer dumbed down games could just go play those games and the people that actually enjoy playing Eve could keep playing it. The OP clearly was not pleased with his time in game. Instead of him insisting that the game change to suit him I'm just saying maybe he'd be better served finding a game that better suits his playstyle. You want to call me a **** go ahead but I call my self practical, logical and helpful.

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Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#79 - 2015-08-21 14:13:00 UTC
2 things,
1 iirc there is a zone or "anomaly" for mining to be used by players doing the tutorial agents if you still do that.
2 in this game the mere action of posting on forums is pvp. everything is pvp.
Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2015-08-21 14:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Riko
Lan Wang wrote:
Alaric Faelen wrote:
I've spent years coming to this forum offering advice and encouragement to players with a genuine desire to get better at Eve. This is not one of those cases. This is just another rant about how after a couple days of playing Eve, someone with an over-inflated sense of entitlement has decided that he knows how to 'fix' Eve....fix rules that have existed the entire time Eve has been in existence.

Nonsense like 'open PvP is okay....but' should be called out and mocked. Basically saying- 'the rules everyone has played by for 12 years are fine...as long as they don't apply to me'. I have no tolerance for that. We all came to the same game, with the same rules. If you don't like those rules then don't play the game.

It's not an insult to suggest this isn't the game for some people. If you can't survive a trial account without taking to the forums soaking in tears, then clearly Eve is the wrong choice of games. Thats why they offer a trial account. It's only going to get worse once you have something valuable to lose. It's not my fault if that honest appraisal hurts some gamer's ego too much to admit that maybe another game is more your style than Eve is. Nor is it the responsibility of the devs to alter a game from it's very core mechanics simply because some people cannot go a couple days without crying like a school girl with a skinned knee over the same mechanics that tens of thousands of other players managed to survive for over a decade. Eve is easier now than it ever has been...and still it's not enough dumbing down and hand holding for some.

Being extorted, scammed, or blown up is not unique to any one player- yet tens of thousands of us manage to play Eve without having to cry to the devs when someone actually engages in multiplayer online gaming..in a multiplayer online game. Don't cry when someone role plays, in a role playing game. Even if the role they choose is 'bad guy'.

What is insulting is the notion that difficulty and adversity is a 'problem' with Eve. For many players it is exactly this concept that attracted us to Eve in the first place. For many of the longest term and most dedicated players- Eve is a destination. It's where we came to when we got tired of swimming in the shallow end of gaming with kiddie games like WoW. If that's the type of game you want- there are lots out there to choose from. But there is only one game like Eve Online. If you don't like the game that Eve is...fine... but don't assume that your inability to handle the rules and mechanics is universal. Way too many of us managed to survive and prosper under those same (or harsher) rules for over a decade.
It's not the game...it's YOU.


he said he was in a rookie system and if he is being extorted in rookie systems then its against the rules. im all for eve but punching puppies is a bit a d!ck move, doesnt matter how you paint it, the most self-entitled people in eve are code.


What rookie systems shouldn't be .8 IMO

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.