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Rosamond Hakaari
T3RRA R1SING INc
#1 - 2015-08-09 09:24:33 UTC
Pretty new to EVE, only 5.7m SP
Currently in a Drake, it tanks a lot but only does 188dps so Im looking for something to clear lvl 3s fast, and a ship for lvl 4s as well
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Rosamond_Hakaari
Im currently skilling to use an entry level incursion Navy Geddon so i cant change my skill que for the next 24 days
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-08-09 11:11:52 UTC
If your drake is doing 188 DPS another ship isn't going to help.

You need to train up your skills more than anything.

Art of Explosions
Rosamond Hakaari
T3RRA R1SING INc
#3 - 2015-08-09 11:37:55 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If your drake is doing 188 DPS another ship isn't going to help.

You need to train up your skills more than anything.

i was pushing around 300 in my omen and almost 500? in my phantasm
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#4 - 2015-08-09 14:31:31 UTC
If your going to be flying a navy geddon for Incursions why are you flying a shield tanked missile ship for missions?

Never flown them but many people I know use the Amarr BC for for level 3 missions and it keeps you in the same family of ships and weapons.

For level 4's a standard geddon would wok well and again keep you in the same family of ships and weapons.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-08-09 14:39:57 UTC
For a newbie you have decent gun skills but less than meh missile skills. That Drake needs to go. ASAP.

As Donnachadh said get into the Amarr laser BC (name escapes me) for L3s.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-08-09 16:20:51 UTC
Rosamond Hakaari wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If your drake is doing 188 DPS another ship isn't going to help.

You need to train up your skills more than anything.

i was pushing around 300 in my omen and almost 500? in my phantasm


to what range? 10km? 15km?

Not everything is about DPS

Art of Explosions
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-08-09 21:42:15 UTC
gila

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Eat dessert first!
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2015-08-10 02:07:30 UTC
Gila isn't a bad choice. imo it isn't the optimal choice, but it looks like it can do many things even with lower skills. should make for a very versatile choice.


Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Rosamond Hakaari wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If your drake is doing 188 DPS another ship isn't going to help.

You need to train up your skills more than anything.

i was pushing around 300 in my omen and almost 500? in my phantasm


to what range? 10km? 15km?

Not everything is about DPS


beam phantasm can get pretty good range, looks like 500 dps out to ~30km just based on the random fit I have in EFT. I'd guess this would beat the heck out of a poorly skilled drake. That said I'd guess the OP's drake has too much tank, and could spare a few slots for more dps, although starting out at 188 there really isn't much to be done besides train more skills. Plus AB phantasm is faster than a MWD drake.

[Phantasm, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Pith B-Type EM Ward Field
Pith B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma M
[empty high slot]

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Warrior II x3

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Rosamond Hakaari
T3RRA R1SING INc
#9 - 2015-08-10 03:10:33 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Gila isn't a bad choice. imo it isn't the optimal choice, but it looks like it can do many things even with lower skills. should make for a very versatile choice.


Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Rosamond Hakaari wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If your drake is doing 188 DPS another ship isn't going to help.

You need to train up your skills more than anything.

i was pushing around 300 in my omen and almost 500? in my phantasm


to what range? 10km? 15km?

Not everything is about DPS


beam phantasm can get pretty good range, looks like 500 dps out to ~30km just based on the random fit I have in EFT. I'd guess this would beat the heck out of a poorly skilled drake. That said I'd guess the OP's drake has too much tank, and could spare a few slots for more dps, although starting out at 188 there really isn't much to be done besides train more skills. Plus AB phantasm is faster than a MWD drake.

[Phantasm, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Pith B-Type EM Ward Field
Pith B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma M
[empty high slot]

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Warrior II x3

Yea i put a fit together on EFT and was pushing 539 dps, but that was with all skills at 5 : /
Rosamond Hakaari
T3RRA R1SING INc
#10 - 2015-08-10 03:11:39 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Rosamond Hakaari wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If your drake is doing 188 DPS another ship isn't going to help.

You need to train up your skills more than anything.

i was pushing around 300 in my omen and almost 500? in my phantasm


to what range? 10km? 15km?

Not everything is about DPS

the phantasm was <20km and the Omen was 51?km with radio and a range boost and i would just keep switching ammo the closer they got until i had multi in the guns
Rosamond Hakaari
T3RRA R1SING INc
#11 - 2015-08-10 03:16:03 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
If your going to be flying a navy geddon for Incursions why are you flying a shield tanked missile ship for missions?

Never flown them but many people I know use the Amarr BC for for level 3 missions and it keeps you in the same family of ships and weapons.

For level 4's a standard geddon would wok well and again keep you in the same family of ships and weapons.

Id never done missions past level 1 before and everyone told me the drake was a sure way to go, had plenty of tank, but yea my missile skills are crap so im not able to kill most BS in the higher level 3s, also I got bored of lasers :P
ill probably train a vindi/mach alt since i imagine ill get bored of a nightmare
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#12 - 2015-08-12 06:07:11 UTC
It will depend on what space you're in. Lasers are great in Sansha/Blood space.

If you have T2 medium drones and at least some missile skills and I presume an ok caldari cruiser skill level then a Gila would be a pretty solid ship to look at. You can either passive tank or active tank as the gila has a lot of power grid to work with, especially when mounting rapid light launchers. The gila can also carry two of each medium drone so it will always have the right damage type available. It does bonus kinetic and therm missile damage so pick between those two depending on mission.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Rosamond Hakaari
T3RRA R1SING INc
#13 - 2015-08-12 06:47:32 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
It will depend on what space you're in. Lasers are great in Sansha/Blood space.

If you have T2 medium drones and at least some missile skills and I presume an ok caldari cruiser skill level then a Gila would be a pretty solid ship to look at. You can either passive tank or active tank as the gila has a lot of power grid to work with, especially when mounting rapid light launchers. The gila can also carry two of each medium drone so it will always have the right damage type available. It does bonus kinetic and therm missile damage so pick between those two depending on mission.

my standings are at 8 now so i should probably move to levels 4s and probably an armageddon?
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#14 - 2015-08-12 07:04:43 UTC
The geddon is the amarr 'drone boat' and half of its bonuses are PvP orientated.

If you do want to go for an amarr BS for Lv4s then look at either the Abaddon or the Apoc. The Abaddon has an armor bonus and a damage bonus so is good for newbies. The Apoc does more damage as it has a slightly larger RoF bonus and a tracking bonus but that means it uses more capacitor so is not as newbie friendly as the tank will be weaker than an abaddon.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Rosamond Hakaari
T3RRA R1SING INc
#15 - 2015-08-12 08:29:42 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
The geddon is the amarr 'drone boat' and half of its bonuses are PvP orientated.

If you do want to go for an amarr BS for Lv4s then look at either the Abaddon or the Apoc. The Abaddon has an armor bonus and a damage bonus so is good for newbies. The Apoc does more damage as it has a slightly larger RoF bonus and a tracking bonus but that means it uses more capacitor so is not as newbie friendly as the tank will be weaker than an abaddon.

ohh i heard it was the other way arround, to make good use of the abaddon you needed very high skills, so its either a raven or a Abaddon, suggestion on fits?
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#16 - 2015-08-12 09:07:31 UTC
Rosamond Hakaari wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
The geddon is the amarr 'drone boat' and half of its bonuses are PvP orientated.

If you do want to go for an amarr BS for Lv4s then look at either the Abaddon or the Apoc. The Abaddon has an armor bonus and a damage bonus so is good for newbies. The Apoc does more damage as it has a slightly larger RoF bonus and a tracking bonus but that means it uses more capacitor so is not as newbie friendly as the tank will be weaker than an abaddon.

ohh i heard it was the other way arround, to make good use of the abaddon you needed very high skills, so its either a raven or a Abaddon, suggestion on fits?

Actually, looking at the base hulls now, I remembered something, the Apoc had a cap bonus that got baked into the hull, meaning its base capacitor stats are better than the abaddon's. Best bet for amarr space (sansha and blood raider pirates) is the apoc or apoc navy. Start with the apoc and remember to insure it!

You should at least have T2 armor skills before climbing into the apoc in my opinion so if you have that then you could try something like this but there might be better fits out there:

[Apocalypse, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
100MN Afterburner II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Cheap so not a huge issue if you lose it but I would highly recommend that the tank be T2. The jump drive is your get out of jail free card. T2 Light drones are super important to deal with scram frigs. Meta the AB, damage mods and cap mods if you need fitting space.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Rosamond Hakaari
T3RRA R1SING INc
#17 - 2015-08-12 10:48:13 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Rosamond Hakaari wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
The geddon is the amarr 'drone boat' and half of its bonuses are PvP orientated.

If you do want to go for an amarr BS for Lv4s then look at either the Abaddon or the Apoc. The Abaddon has an armor bonus and a damage bonus so is good for newbies. The Apoc does more damage as it has a slightly larger RoF bonus and a tracking bonus but that means it uses more capacitor so is not as newbie friendly as the tank will be weaker than an abaddon.

ohh i heard it was the other way arround, to make good use of the abaddon you needed very high skills, so its either a raven or a Abaddon, suggestion on fits?

Actually, looking at the base hulls now, I remembered something, the Apoc had a cap bonus that got baked into the hull, meaning its base capacitor stats are better than the abaddon's. Best bet for amarr space (sansha and blood raider pirates) is the apoc or apoc navy. Start with the apoc and remember to insure it!

You should at least have T2 armor skills before climbing into the apoc in my opinion so if you have that then you could try something like this but there might be better fits out there:

[Apocalypse, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
100MN Afterburner II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Cheap so not a huge issue if you lose it but I would highly recommend that the tank be T2. The jump drive is your get out of jail free card. T2 Light drones are super important to deal with scram frigs. Meta the AB, damage mods and cap mods if you need fitting space.

Can i replace the T2 modules with faction/deadspace stuff? same thing ive done with my incursion ship until u cab fit the T2 modules
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#18 - 2015-08-12 11:53:47 UTC
Yup, but you really really need to get T2 tank asap and make sure the ship is insured ;)

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Rosamond Hakaari
T3RRA R1SING INc
#19 - 2015-08-12 12:40:03 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Yup, but you really really need to get T2 tank asap and make sure the ship is insured ;)

any corporations i should be missioning with in particular?
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#20 - 2015-08-12 12:44:43 UTC
Rosamond Hakaari wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Yup, but you really really need to get T2 tank asap and make sure the ship is insured ;)

any corporations i should be missioning with in particular?


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