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Caldari Navy MIA?

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X Nibiru
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-08-07 21:11:59 UTC  |  Edited by: X Nibiru
Hi, I am here to figure something out. At the moment there is a Gallente FW pilot just chillin' at Jita. How is he able to sit in space without getting attacked by the Navy?

A couple screenshots:
http://imgur.com/i7xCEB4
http://imgur.com/6o45h7l
Yang Aurilen
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#2 - 2015-08-07 22:41:31 UTC
Don't know about faction navy mechanics eh?

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Moxide Reddredi
iHeart Industrialist Conglomerate
#3 - 2015-08-07 23:14:29 UTC
Because he is pro at elite solo pvp
X Nibiru
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-08-08 00:01:17 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Don't know about faction navy mechanics eh?

Enlighten me?
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#5 - 2015-08-08 00:02:54 UTC
navy police can be tanked in a proper ship


there's also away to avoid them but can't remember 100% how .. .prolly much like concord .. ge them to spawn somewhere else in same system then warp back ... rinse and repeat .. again not 100% sure as i've never done the elite high sec hub camping .. thing..

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

X Nibiru
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-08-08 00:05:26 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
navy police can be tanked in a proper ship


there's also away to avoid them but can't remember 100% how .. .prolly much like concord .. ge them to spawn somewhere else in same system then warp back ... rinse and repeat .. again not 100% sure as i've never done the elite high sec hub camping .. thing..


He wasn't being attacked. Another guy showed up as well shortly after. Just two Gallente FW pilots hanging out in Jita. I really would like an explanation. My understanding was, if you're in enemy territory their navy will shoot you.
T Broz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-08-08 11:33:31 UTC
To avoid the somehow high dps and being jammed I think they tank the navy with a drone being repped or like I saw in Hek with an alt in a very tanky ship to take aggro. Dunno.
George Gouillot
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2015-08-08 14:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: George Gouillot
T Broz wrote:
To avoid the somehow high dps and being jammed I think they tank the navy with a drone being repped or like I saw in Hek with an alt in a very tanky ship to take aggro. Dunno.



No, it is much easier. Every ship that has at least 5 faction mods of the friendly faction fitted and 50 tags of the highest rank of the enemy faction in cargohold is considered a collaborator and will never be shot by faction navy.

I have been told tags can be replaced by PLEX at 1:50 ratio but never tried by myself.
Hamtai
Iseeyou0
#9 - 2015-08-11 11:39:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Hamtai
1 they use a rattlesnake with a single drone somewhere in space. Most of the time at dock range of an other station or inside a pos force field while drones are outside.

2 the rattlesnake pilot uses his drone to attack the navy spaw, that spawn start shooting the drone.

3 Some neutral bs then start remote rep, shield, structure the drone and NOT the rattlesnake ... worst ... they are not flagged. The drone has heavy tank because of rattlesnake bonus

4 the single drone can tank the faction police.

5 others gallente militia come near the rattlesnake with their own faction spawn.

6 faction spawn switch target to the rattlesnake, if needed the ratllesnake pilot engage each spawn to gain full aggro.

7 others militia pilots are no immune to faction spaw and can now shot every one at undock, they even can afford to use a frigate which one would be insta poped without that exploit

8 you can add more gallente pilots as long as you add neutral bs to increase the amount of dmg taken by the sentry drone

http://i.imgur.com/kvW8Gki.png

you can see the imperial navy curator taking damage / Faceless Parmala is the rattlesnake pilot / all others bs pilots are neutral

Reported to ccp from months, seems they don't care or should be considered as a valid tactic
Still waiting an official answer !!!
George Gouillot
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2015-08-11 12:03:31 UTC
Hamtai wrote:
1 they use a rattlesnake with a single drone somewhere in space. Most of the time at dock range of an other station or inside a pos force field while drones are outside.

2 the rattlesnake pilot uses his drone to attack the navy spaw, that spawn start shooting the drone.

3 Some neutral bs then start remote rep, shield, structure the drone and NOT the rattlesnake ... worst ... they are not flagged. The drone has heavy tank because of rattlesnake bonus

4 the single drone can tank the faction police.

5 others gallente militia come near the rattlesnake with their own faction spawn.

6 faction spawn switch target to the rattlesnake, if needed the ratllesnake pilot engage each spawn to gain full aggro.

7 others militia pilots are no immune to faction spaw and can now shot every one at undock, they even can afford to use a frigate which one would be insta poped without that exploit

8 you can add more gallente pilots as long as you add neutral bs to increase the amount of dmg taken by the sentry drone

http://i.imgur.com/kvW8Gki.png

you can see the imperial navy curator taking damage / Faceless Parmala is the rattlesnake pilot / all others bs pilots are neutral

Reported to ccp from months, seems they don't care or should be considered as a valid tactic
Still waiting an official answer !!!


Yes, it works exactly like this - now try in Dodixie!
Lexiana Del'Amore
Nouvelle Rouvenor
#11 - 2015-08-11 12:50:11 UTC
get a alt in a super cheap but super fast frig...
enter enemy system with alt... warp 100 to random planet and start burning...
enemy NPC's will try (and fail to catch up) with your fast alt..
Now your main does not need to worry about NPC's as they are all busy trying to catch the first fast frig..
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-08-11 13:23:32 UTC
This is clearly an exploit, is obviously stupid and needs to be fixed.

Why would you even have faction police in the game if they aren't going to do anything? Just delete them if that is the case, they are cluttering up my screen with their false presence.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#13 - 2015-08-11 15:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Legatus1982 wrote:
This is clearly an exploit, is obviously stupid and needs to be fixed.

Why would you even have faction police in the game if they aren't going to do anything? Just delete them if that is the case, they are cluttering up my screen with their false presence.


Wrong definition again, exploit only applies when mechanics are abused in a way that CCP has deemed unacceptable.

I believe this has been used for many years. CCP is aware of it and has never declared it an exploit. Therefor the term you were looking for is just abnormal use, or 'abuse' of normal mechanics.

Lexiana Del'Amore wrote:
get a alt in a super cheap but super fast frig...
enter enemy system with alt... warp 100 to random planet and start burning...
enemy NPC's will try (and fail to catch up) with your fast alt..
Now your main does not need to worry about NPC's as they are all busy trying to catch the first fast frig..


I believe they will eventually get a magical web on you, that that might just have been the police in my case. Also, there are up to 15 separate spawns in 1.0 afaik so the trick is passing off all the spawns to the tank. otherwise there would be 14 other groups of navy ready to go.

When we used to camp as a fleet in 0.5 highsec. We would jump 10 BS in (which was the number of spawns in 0.5), then bring in the logi and fast tackle. As long as non of the BS dc'd or left system the navy would stick to them.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-08-11 16:55:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Legatus1982
Ah Crosi. Always assuming that ccp wrote the dictionary. I'm going to miss watching you flop around on the forums spewing misinformation when I finally quit eve someday.

The current implementation of faction police are easily bypassed without any other enemy faction in system. A couple days ago I passed by a gallente gatecamp in litiura. I waved at them as I passed by but noticed the five or so navy ships on the gate were not shooting them at all and there were no other gallente in system at the time, so this was not a case of some gallente rattlesnake or frigate tanking the navy, they were simply not being aggressed. It's not the first time this happened and the exploit is wide spread at this point that you should know what they are doing (I don't, because I actually fly in the war zone, not shooting random people in high sec).

The mistake your buddies made is using this exploit outside of jita, where a quick glance at local will show it's not a split off aggression.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#15 - 2015-08-11 22:58:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Sorry for using CCP's own terminology in their own game lol.

As for your scenario, i have camped lituria long ago, coincidentally, with the same person that the OP is complaining about in Jita

You are mistaken if you think the rats are not attacking him there. All you need to do is tank the ~200 or so dps and kill the ewar rats if you see something coming you want to kill. There is no NPC neuting in lituria so its easy to just tank the rats. It does get more problematic if you fight next door in the 0.6 where you are neuted fairly quickly but its still doable.

It is possible that you saw the rats spawning but passed by in the 20 or so seconds it takes for the rats to start shooting. This is likely if he didnt want to sit and tank NPC and just came to the gate to try and catch you or some other squid.

Again, just to be clear, exploit is an action that CCP is aware of and has banned. An abuse of game mechanics may or may not eventually be deemed an exploit but in this case CCP has not done so. If anyone finds an abnormal use of mechanics and fails to make CCP aware of it so that CCP can judge on the activity, then that person can be subject to a ban.

This is basically the EULA on the subject, so instead of telling me how wrong i am, perhaps send an email to CCP about how stupid they are?

No, didnt think so.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-08-12 12:20:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Legatus1982
As if we can't tell the difference between aggression and harmlessly floating around that gate, FFS Crosi you are the most unreasonable person I've ever seen on these forums. These cruisers were sitting right on the gate they didn't warp in and I held my cloak for nearly the full duration while I watched them float around unharmed. If you don't know what's going on then don't comment about it honestly.

And newsflash, ccp didn't invent the word exploit. Lol. What are you like 13 years old? Just because ccp doesn't declare something an exploit in their game rules doesn't mean the normal usage of the word exploit doesn't apply.

Honestly you have some serious growing up to do, you are like a two year old child trying to always get his way.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#17 - 2015-08-12 13:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Excuse me if i dont believe you are competent enough to recognise what was going on. Specially with how wrong and ill informed you have been over a multitude of eve related subjects. And then how you glossed over every single example as though you knew it all along lol.

While i dont scorn you for this, eve is a complex game after all, but the sheer bold faced ignorance you display does get tiring.

I have camped the same gate, with the same people and find it highly unlikely that they are abusing some unknown mechanic because its simply easy enough to do it without.

Until CCP rules on an abuse of mechanics it is not an exploit. If any abuse of mechanics is kept secret from CCP that is banable.
I believe CCP is already aware of all abuse of NPC mechanics and everything is currently ok to use as they have not declared them an exploit.

Feel free to go on about what exploit means in different contexts, im not sure how productive that will be since we are talking about EVE and CCP are perfectly clear on how they use the word.
Masaaq
Soggy Biscuit.
#18 - 2015-08-12 13:42:41 UTC
Legatus1982 wrote:
As if we can't tell the difference between aggression and harmlessly floating around that gate, FFS Crosi you are the most unreasonable person I've ever seen on these forums. These cruisers were sitting right on the gate they didn't warp in and I held my cloak for nearly the full duration while I watched them float around unharmed. If you don't know what's going on then don't comment about it honestly.

And newsflash, ccp didn't invent the word exploit. Lol. What are you like 13 years old? Just because ccp doesn't declare something an exploit in their game rules doesn't mean the normal usage of the word exploit doesn't apply.

Honestly you have some serious growing up to do, you are like a two year old child trying to always get his way.


Extreme levels of butthurt detected.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-08-12 16:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Legatus1982
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Excuse me if i dont believe you are competent enough to recognise what was going on. Specially with how wrong and ill informed you have been over a multitude of eve related subjects. And then how you glossed over every single example as though you knew it all along lol.

While i dont scorn you for this, eve is a complex game after all, but the sheer bold faced ignorance you display does get tiring.

I have camped the same gate, with the same people and find it highly unlikely that they are abusing some unknown mechanic because its simply easy enough to do it without.

Until CCP rules on an abuse of mechanics it is not an exploit. If any abuse of mechanics is kept secret from CCP that is banable.
I believe CCP is already aware of all abuse of NPC mechanics and everything is currently ok to use as they have not declared them an exploit.

Feel free to go on about what exploit means in different contexts, im not sure how productive that will be since we are talking about EVE and CCP are perfectly clear on how they use the word.


Oh yes, because your own knowledge and skills have demonstrated your intellectual abilities and how superior they are to my own. Quality posts from you such as "you can't build a titan out of incursion loot" and "I'm going to have my dog pilot my links".

The only ability I've seen from you so far is your ability to pay ccp more money for in game advantages.

The word exploit means what it means. CCP decides what you get banned for in eve online, not the definition of the word exploit. This is a stupid deflection on the issue.

My suggestion to you is to refrain from the smart ass comments while posting stuff like this. But you're free to make yourself look however you want.
Phyrr
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-08-12 21:52:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Phyrr
Legatus1982 wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Excuse me if i dont believe you are competent enough to recognise what was going on. Specially with how wrong and ill informed you have been over a multitude of eve related subjects. And then how you glossed over every single example as though you knew it all along lol.

While i dont scorn you for this, eve is a complex game after all, but the sheer bold faced ignorance you display does get tiring.

I have camped the same gate, with the same people and find it highly unlikely that they are abusing some unknown mechanic because its simply easy enough to do it without.

Until CCP rules on an abuse of mechanics it is not an exploit. If any abuse of mechanics is kept secret from CCP that is banable.
I believe CCP is already aware of all abuse of NPC mechanics and everything is currently ok to use as they have not declared them an exploit.

Feel free to go on about what exploit means in different contexts, im not sure how productive that will be since we are talking about EVE and CCP are perfectly clear on how they use the word.


Oh yes, because your own knowledge and skills have demonstrated your intellectual abilities and how superior they are to my own. Quality posts from you such as "you can't build a titan out of incursion loot" and "I'm going to have my dog pilot my links".

The only ability I've seen from you so far is your ability to pay ccp more money for in game advantages.

The word exploit means what it means. CCP decides what you get banned for in eve online, not the definition of the word exploit. This is a stupid deflection on the issue.

My suggestion to you is to refrain from the smart ass comments while posting stuff like this. But you're free to make yourself look however you want.


I can demonstrate superior knowledge than your own if you wish.

A long long time ago in a faction warfare that was but weeks old....you could still fly into high sec hostile space and gank players. I myself dual accounted a destroyer and frigate to Amarr Prime and killed a few pilots, they were quite surprised. The navies chased you around constantly so you had to kill something in a few seconds and warp.

The important part of this story is that back in those days, this was ONLY possible with frigs and destroyers, because each person that entered hostile space spawned an NPC Navy fleet for EACH player. I told a Minnie FC of my antics in high sec and (for science) we took a 70 man fleet of various ships into amarr high sec to begin an assault. Every single one of our ships died, a Navy was spawned for EACH person in the fleet. Much amusement was had at our massacre.

Sometime after this CCP changed the mechanics, so that players could indeed enter hostile high sec space, but at great risk to themselves, but there wouldn't be a navy spawning for each player. The current mechanics are intended and rewards those players that can tank and/or distract the now limited naval fleets of npc hostile space. Not only has this made FW more fun, it's more realistic than seeing several hundred NPC's spawn to deal with a fleet.

I haven't been in FW for sometime, but it sounds like those changes are still current and they are intended. This isn't an exploit, you just clearly aren't old enough to remember when and why these changes were introduced. I don't know if they made changes to this again in that time, but from what I have read in the thread they still seem to be in force.

So do us a favour eh? Stop assuming and making an ass out of u and not me.
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