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Griefers, Stop moaning

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Robert De Lyse
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-08-11 11:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert De Lyse
It's dead simple really

You whine and complain when empire war decs are discussed as possible nerfs, costs to rise etc and you come up with this:

"Why should we be forced to PvP in low/null/wh's when we want to PvP in empire, we should be able to play EvE how we like"

Okay sure, sandbox and all that, BUT:

What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? To FORCE them to play how you want to play? To FORCE them to change there mission/industrial/exploration play styles to PVP against you?

What gives you the RIGHT to FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME how you want to? You don't want to be FORCED into low/null/wh's.

Stop being hypocrites.

Griefers - Cowards who fly speed fit ships such as 10mn ab fit sivpuls with medium boosts, or gank certain systems with spys in each gate within a 1j radius, we had 7 war decs and we took a 30 man fleet, what did they all do? They ran to a station and hid. Smacked in local, in all there fancy t3's, they ran from a 30 man frig/dessy gang.

Code - buncha noobs ganking barges and nearly causing a market crash, well done, well done

"Griefers slam wow" - K sure, u don't play it for one reason, u cant go around destroying everyones stuff

Buncha cowards, all of you.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2015-08-11 11:28:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Do go on.
*popcorn*
Also, things are made to be broken.
It's kind of a fundamental bit of supply and demand.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#3 - 2015-08-11 11:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Eve is a PvP game at its core as I linked to you in another thread. This simple fact that this is how the game is designed is what gives other players the right for force you into PvP anywhere.

If you think they are cowards and want to do something about it, your energies would be better spent in-game rather than whining on the forums.

I hear that anti-ganking is still looking for help if you actually want to do something more than cry about those evil "griefers".

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Why Do They Gank?
Avvy
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-08-11 11:31:53 UTC
Which bit of it's a PvP game didn't you understand?




Hmm, can only find sweet popcorn, prefer toffee popcorn myself.
Avvy
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-08-11 11:46:11 UTC
Robert De Lyse wrote:

What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? To FORCE them to play how you want to play? To FORCE them to change there mission/industrial/exploration play styles to PVP against you?

What gives you the RIGHT to FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME how you want to? You don't want to be FORCED into low/null/wh's.




Nobody is stopping anyone doing missions, industrial or exploration. But as a PvP game they shouldn't expect to be able to do those professions risk free.
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-08-11 11:50:10 UTC
Griefing is a bannable offence in Eve. If someone if griefing file a petition with CCP.
Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
War and Wormhole
#7 - 2015-08-11 12:00:26 UTC
Who got sand in your box?
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#8 - 2015-08-11 12:06:30 UTC
Christ, I just managed to yawn at both ends simultaneously!


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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#9 - 2015-08-11 12:14:55 UTC
Robert De Lyse wrote:

What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP?


It's called player freedom, look it up some time.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#10 - 2015-08-11 12:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Anne Dieu-le-veut
Less than week old NPC corp forum alt calling other people cowards...not sure if trolling or oblivious.
Based on grammar and writing style, I vote trolling.

EDIT: Also, isn't cross posting frowned upon? There is a less wordy version of this in the nerfing Awoxing thread.
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-08-11 12:25:16 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Less than week old NPC corp forum alt calling other people cowards...not sure if trolling or oblivious.
Based on grammar and writing style, I vote trolling.


Clearly a troll, but not a very bight one so it's entertaining :)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#12 - 2015-08-11 12:39:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Robert De Lyse wrote:
It's dead simple really

You whine and complain when empire war decs are discussed as possible nerfs, costs to rise etc and you come up with this:

"Why should we be forced to PvP in low/null/wh's when we want to PvP in empire, we should be able to play EvE how we like"

Okay sure, sandbox and all that, BUT:

What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? To FORCE them to play how you want to play? To FORCE them to change there mission/industrial/exploration play styles to PVP against you?

What gives you the RIGHT to FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME how you want to? You don't want to be FORCED into low/null/wh's.
What's good for the goose is also good for the gander. Some missioners, industrialists and explorers have been demanding that CCP nerf hisec aggression for years, the current situation is the result of that. What gives them the right to demand that CCP make others change their playstyles to suit them?

The difference is that PvPer's are doing their own dirty work, the carebears are expecting CCP to do it for them.

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Stop being hypocrites.

Griefers - Cowards who fly speed fit ships such as 10mn ab fit sivpuls with medium boosts, or gank certain systems with spys in each gate within a 1j radius, we had 7 war decs and we took a 30 man fleet, what did they all do? They ran to a station and hid. Smacked in local, in all there fancy t3's, they ran from a 30 man frig/dessy gang.
What are they, cowards or griefers?

BTW CCP don't tolerate griefing, their definition of griefer probably doesn't match yours though.

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Code - buncha noobs ganking barges and nearly causing a market crash, well done, well done
Citation needed

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"Griefers slam wow" - K sure, u don't play it for one reason, u cant go around destroying everyones stuff
It's the lowest common denominator, as such it's going to get slammed.

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Buncha cowards, all of you.
Would you say that to their faces or are you too cowardly to do so?

TL;DR You should stick to stealing stuff from fools.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Valkin Mordirc
#13 - 2015-08-11 12:40:08 UTC
Ladies and Gentlemen this man is here to take Veers place. 
#DeleteTheWeak
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#14 - 2015-08-11 12:53:39 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen this man is here to take Veers place.
That's a huge pair of shoes to fill.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#15 - 2015-08-11 12:57:36 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Robert De Lyse wrote:

What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP?


It's called player freedom, look it up some time.


its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all Pirate

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#16 - 2015-08-11 13:01:30 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Robert De Lyse wrote:

What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP?


It's called player freedom, look it up some time.


its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all Pirate


Not at all, they have the freedom to avoid it if they so choose. They do not have any right to demand that it cease, in any way. If they want that, they can go play Star Trek Online with the rest of the cowards.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kooshti
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-08-11 13:01:40 UTC
why is this guy mad? was he violated in space?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2015-08-11 13:05:28 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Robert De Lyse wrote:

What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP?


It's called player freedom, look it up some time.


its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all Pirate
Not really, I do all of the carebear things and have zero problems with mission invaders or suicide gankers, mainly because I actively take steps to minimise their impact on my gameplay.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#19 - 2015-08-11 13:07:59 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Robert De Lyse wrote:

What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP?


It's called player freedom, look it up some time.


its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all Pirate
Not really, I do all of the carebear things and have zero problems with mission invaders or suicide gankers, mainly because I actively take steps to minimise their impact on my gameplay.


Precisely this.

What carebears (as opposed to you, which I would call a PvE player. They don't get to be called players) want is to have the ability to NOT play the game even halfway correctly, while being completely immune to other people at the same time.

That is contrary to player freedom, because what they want can only be achieved by a harsh curtailing of player freedom. And since EVE is pretty much defined and sold on player freedom, what they want is the death of the game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#20 - 2015-08-11 13:09:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Robert De Lyse wrote:

What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP?


It's called player freedom, look it up some time.


its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all Pirate


Not at all, they have the freedom to avoid it if they so choose. They do not have any right to demand that it cease, in any way. If they want that, they can go play Star Trek Online with the rest of the cowards.


I sit on the fence with both sides of this sort of thing, while you are having freedom to do what you want you are restricting the freedom of other to play your own game. yeah they can avoid it ofcourse but having to avoid something is not freedom to go where you want, but i only really look at this from wardec mechanics where they force people, and forcing something on someone is not freedom.

but the rules allow it so why even bother arguing about it Pirate

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
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