Crime & Punishment

Yeah, just like the forums of all that other games mentioned, and all EVE forums on the subject from almost a decade, people like to distort things in favor of looking cool.

"Choice, the problem is choice."

There is something called "The illusion of free will", that school of thought has a linger on information science that tells us how to structure data so the information can be controlled regardless of external choices. The illusion of free will was a concept created long time ago to explain how fate exists, but it got a good grasp on software development specially when it comes to User Interfaces.

Said that, again, choice. When you give people a choice, you are not actually changing the outcome you want, you just changing how people will get there.

What changes if you can choose if your corp allow friendly fire or not ? Actually nothing. As much as you prevent people from destroying property from inside, you just make it easier to spot easy targets. Once a corp is not allowing friendly fire, it means they are tweaking to operate in hisec, as that is the only reason for that. Further more you are aware that said corp relies on protection from concord, and will be subject to the sanctioned harassment tool, aka Wardec.

Real new players in EVE are either naive enough to start playing without looking for reviews and will be generaly let down in their expectations. The few who like the environment will stay and make it further more like it already is.

There isnt really anything changing from being given the choice to forbid friendly fire.

The true change would come when some kind of Gandhi in EVE start leading a pacifist protest that really impact eve economy and politics towards a pacific hisec.

As you cannot starve on eve or anything of the likes, the most likely scenario for that is to force criminals to flee hisec by the same means the criminals bully non combatent pilots, terror and mafia. Non combative terror and mafia is relly tricky, but would be possible if all that people bitching about non-pvp bullying actually united for the cause.

So, you are pretty much safe having New Eden still a decadent den of depravity and violence for the next decade, because if there is something people dont do here is to unite for a cause that doesnt involve fight and destruction. Some tried, and became the very thing they say they fight.

"Reduce lame play mechanics for those ppl who are only able to griefplay." - Rynx

Funny how people assume that the only ones wanting to make hisec less friendly to pvp are people who arent interested in pvp.

People just want you coward well armed bad experienced pvpers to came to meat grinder instead of staying there playing with the kids in the back yard of empires.

Sissification of hisec ? You should say sissification of pvp.

Not quite accurate, as I am not a miner, I am what people use to call space paper pusher. I do trading. Mining alts I have to trade bonuses, but that is another thing.

I dont really bother when gameplay is aimed to accomplish something as substantial as EVE can be. What really bothers me is unnecessary, unjustifiable, merely griefplay combat. That diminishes the perception of EVE as a whole.

Hello again!

I'm pleased to note that you are in the enviable position of standing guard over 'the perception of EVE as a whole'. It's a wonder, isn't it, that CCP hasn't snapped you up to oversee their PR department?

I'm sorry if I implied that you were a miner. Heaven forfend! It is however true that many Nullsec dwellers (and those from other regions) come to Highsec to ~relax~ (and to make Isk as they do it).

We simply try to inject a little spice into their reverie.

A sandbox game is only as challenging as the hazards it contains.

NPC enemies in this game can hardly be characterized as hazards. The mushrooms in Mario Bros were smarter.

If it weren't for the "pirates" with their grief play, can you even argue that Eve would be challenging?

Name a great game that's easy... I can't. In fact, I think the nerfing of high-sec has made Eve too easy for noobs, which is why we are losing so many of them.

It is my opinion, but the noob-spaces are silent temples of NPC interaction now... I wouldn't have subscribed if I entered the game there. The NPC content, in my opinion, is filler at best.

Baiters, can flippers, gankers, and griefers were always the bad guys that made this game interesting, unpredictable, and great.

I think your hatred for them only goes to show how effective they are as an oppositional element.

Imagine if Darth Vadar was as dumb and weak as an NPC... Would Star Wars have been a great film? I think not.

Have you tried suspect baiting in the current crimewatch environment?

Basically, the objective is to fly something small enough to attract opportunists (I usually use a t1 frigate).

The down side is that once you are suspect and engaged any opportunist can kill you and join in the killing.

There aren't a lot of corp's that do that anymore because it's so risky, so I usually end up doing it solo.

You can call me a pirate, but in the current system it's impossible to steal anything meaningful outside a mission and mission scanning is too much work for suspect baiting.

So I essentially steal nothing of value, fly a laughable ship that I BETTER know how to fly, accept aggression from anyone and everyone on their terms...

And the PVE community looks at me as an opportunist who is risk averse and skill devoid.

I can't even aggress unless they let me. THEY are the aggressors... By the time I get attacked I haven't wronged anyone. The crap I steal is just junk left in belts.

Go figure.

No point in going after griefers, u form a fleet n go n they hide in station n smack in local, spies in every system leading to there gank system, its always the same, fight when they can win, run when they might loose, link alts, spys, all of it

Griefers are cowards, period, end fo story

I always defined griefing as any style of gameplay which used an opponent's anger substantially in play.

That was how can flipping worked. I would steal your jet can, you would get mad, and we would fight.

CCP has circumvented almost every scenario that supported that except possibly ganking and mission baiting. Ganking doesn't rely on anger, and so I think is only questionably griefing. I would be more inclined to call it a theft strategy.

Because mining now no longer is substantially improved by jet cans, that entire ecosystem is dead.

The only remaining war dec groups are too large to be serious about griefing. They're just shooting nameless flashies in abject boredom.

I think it is the mission ninja who is the final griefing expert. He is the last player to use grief to drive his opponent to silliness.

Is he the coward you are referencing? The rest of us no longer grief. We duel, we are occasionally aggressed by opportunists who fancy an easy kill, or we are perhaps steal something unclaimed from a belt.

Eve has almost no griefing left.

To say griefers are cowards because they refuse to accept obviously bad odds? That's silly. If you were as skilled at flying ships as you are at stealing them you would enjoy pvp.

My guess is that you fly like a dull instrument and "orbit at 500" and "click all the buttons" are the extent of your understanding of the equipment you've been filching.

That's my read. As one looker to another, I just don't see how a corp thief can look down on baiters and deccers, especially with today's crimewatch.

Silly goose!

Ugh. I played wow for three years. I remember the night I stopped... A bunch of my buddies from the squadron were going to the bar. I said I'd be out and the guild leader told me "If you can't raid every night, you can't raid with us".

I quit, uninstalled, and never looked back. Thats the kind of player that flourishes in wow.

Is this a PvP game or did I miss the small print?