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Elite: Horizons

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Reiisha
#1 - 2015-08-05 10:58:06 UTC
So, it's just been announced:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247

Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch.



So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#2 - 2015-08-05 12:13:07 UTC
The short answer is: CCP wants EVE to be a game about space front and center, while Elite was planned with stuff like planetary landings from the very beginning.

Also you can't compare Elite, which is build on a solid foundation of procedural generation using real science as rules to EVE, which is build upon a sordid labyrinth of arcane horrors.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#3 - 2015-08-05 12:58:44 UTC
You should see what idiot smile I have on my face right now... Lol

Come on Elite! Just throw in some avatars, dammit! Is that too much to ask...?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Commissar Rain
Kesukka
#4 - 2015-08-05 14:32:10 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
You should see what idiot smile I have on my face right now... Lol

Come on Elite! Just throw in some avatars, dammit! Is that too much to ask...?


It will probably be the last thing to be added. Probably the most difficult thing to add as well in the way of content and things to do.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#5 - 2015-08-05 15:50:18 UTC
You see that avatars were planned from beginning, despite how ridiculous that sounds considering there were no avatars of players earlier in any elite game. There was huge world to explore and evolve your character with actions you can take like military service without actual seeing yourself in person. There were npc images, but there was no image representing you.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#6 - 2015-08-05 18:58:25 UTC
Commissar Rain wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
You should see what idiot smile I have on my face right now... Lol

Come on Elite! Just throw in some avatars, dammit! Is that too much to ask...?


It will probably be the last thing to be added. Probably the most difficult thing to add as well in the way of content and things to do.


I am patient. Even the planets stuff will be released slowly... airless rocky planets first. So Mercury, there we go! Airless icy planets could be next, now that Pluto is back on the headlines.

The point is the idiot smile. EVE hasn't done that for me for 5 years. And as I've said before, I'll be playing EVE until I find a better game. Putting a idiot smile in my face is quite a thing.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Ian Morbius
Robby Altair Corporation
#7 - 2015-08-05 21:32:58 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:
...., build upon a sordid labyrinth of arcane horrors.

Lol Have to remember that one.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#8 - 2015-08-06 12:31:09 UTC
Its nothing funny, its tragic, EVE is bearing the faults and sins of progeny to this day, like a hunchback forever merged with its hump.
That is why we cant have logout to character screen.

But enough of this. Watch Elite becoming better than SC.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#9 - 2015-08-06 13:34:45 UTC
Elite is better than SC coz SC is just a 16 payer 2 map arena atm.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Alice Stenmark
Global Trust Cooperative
#10 - 2015-08-09 11:03:21 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
So, it's just been announced:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247

Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch.



So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)


1. The engine is outdated.
2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement.
3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well...
4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase.

Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#11 - 2015-08-09 16:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
EVE have planets that from closeup don't look right. But I have few ideas.


Scrape gravity and bumping bubles for EVE planets, I have better idea for planetary landings, with less resources needed and less skills needed. Cool

Microjumpdrive driven landing pads very similar to Mobile Micro Jump Unit we have already but huge as to able to launch and receiveh Orcas and operating with ranges up to 5000 km. Microjumpdrive Launch Pads (MLP's) would be placed on the surface, the additional structure we could use to pick up planetary products from planetary instalation. Managed with permissions like station dock. \Big smile/

Every landing and launch would cost the amount of: ship mass kg /100 = x ISK. Capitals excluded, freighters could pass.

The camera would have to orient on a different angle and you would see your ship at the surface, levitating at the pad at the surface, hold there with an anormous force of surface tractor beams. Shocked

There planetary instalations would be visible, actual objects and detailed surface of planet loaded while DCT (Docking Jump Timer) would be running.

You could have an option to launch ship in orbit thru the same structure of microjumpdrive launch pad on the planet. Every landing would cost you some ISKies, but, you could pick up an actual stuff from instalations.


How brilliant is that? You tell me.
I think It would be the best thing since Quafe Zero.
No gravity Involved. No major modifications to engine. Landing on a planet with EVE ships. The economic way. Cool
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-08-09 19:19:57 UTC
Reiisha wrote:

So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)

Just step outside and enjoy your planet.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#13 - 2015-08-09 20:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Caleidascope wrote:
Reiisha wrote:

So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)

Just step outside and enjoy your planet.

Boring, I dont see any abaddon hanging there. Fetch some for me and we will talk about the rest of scenery.

Actual game could look prettier than real world. But some people doesnt have a clue.
Tanner Twaggs
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#14 - 2015-08-09 23:40:37 UTC
Alice Stenmark wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
So, it's just been announced:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247

Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch.



So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)


1. The engine is outdated.
2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement.
3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well...
4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase.

Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract.


Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies)
lets not make that happen to eve. K?

At what point do you just stop and say, Did i just do that

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-08-11 00:17:32 UTC
Tanner Twaggs wrote:

Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies)
lets not make that happen to eve. K?

I support this message.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#16 - 2015-08-11 04:10:45 UTC
Tanner Twaggs wrote:
Alice Stenmark wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
So, it's just been announced:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247

Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch.



So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)


1. The engine is outdated.
2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement.
3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well...
4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase.

Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract.


Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies)
lets not make that happen to eve. K?



Specifically which part?

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#17 - 2015-08-11 04:16:51 UTC
Alice Stenmark wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
So, it's just been announced:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247

Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch.



So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)


1. The engine is outdated.
2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement.
3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well...
4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase.

Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract.




Technically speaking, they have had the time to actually do this.

but if we really want to look it, it probably could be done, They have Unreal licenses right now, in theory they could make upgrades base don the unreal engine, backup data, shut off the server at DT and then reopen with a new engine. But tbh, this kinda of thing would only happen if valk, dust/legion and gun jack made money, then they could take the risk. It might be good for the 2014 vision, same engine, all games could be linked. The game that shall not be named is doing this, but not in the best way, i think if all three or more new eden games prove themselves they could be linked. But this is all wishful thinking and prolly WAY more complex then i think lol.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Reiisha
#18 - 2015-08-11 05:41:02 UTC
Tanner Twaggs wrote:
Alice Stenmark wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
So, it's just been announced:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247

Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch.



So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)


1. The engine is outdated.
2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement.
3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well...
4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase.

Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract.


Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies)
lets not make that happen to eve. K?


Adding something to the game is not the same as changing everything about the game.

You may want to look up what the CU and NGE actually were before trying to make comparisons :)

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Alice Stenmark
Global Trust Cooperative
#19 - 2015-08-12 12:20:25 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Tanner Twaggs wrote:
Alice Stenmark wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
So, it's just been announced:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247

Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch.



So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)


1. The engine is outdated.
2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement.
3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well...
4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase.

Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract.


Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies)
lets not make that happen to eve. K?


Adding something to the game is not the same as changing everything about the game.

You may want to look up what the CU and NGE actually were before trying to make comparisons :)


But you have to change the game engine in order to add a bearable planetary landing feature. Otherwise, it'd be just an overhyped, low quality update of broken promises and more spreadsheets.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#20 - 2015-08-12 15:33:52 UTC
Alice Stenmark wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
Tanner Twaggs wrote:
Alice Stenmark wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
So, it's just been announced:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247

Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch.



So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)


1. The engine is outdated.
2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement.
3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well...
4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase.

Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract.


Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies)
lets not make that happen to eve. K?


Adding something to the game is not the same as changing everything about the game.

You may want to look up what the CU and NGE actually were before trying to make comparisons :)


But you have to change the game engine in order to add a bearable planetary landing feature. Otherwise, it'd be just an overhyped, low quality update of broken promises and more spreadsheets.

Dont make it low quality and dont break promises and do not overhype anything, dont change engine or change it only a little, just add something new what can be made in current one.
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